What's your take on our coaching?

[SolidSnake84]

Speaking of coaching, do you think that Rex Grossman will get the starting job back if Beck has another poor game and the skins lose? I mean why not? The season isn't lost per say just yet, but sometimes QBs respond well after benching and who knows, maybe Rex can go back to the way he was the 1st 3 games!!

[VTSkins1961]

I agree that is why I voted for the hot seat. Ultimately he is responsible. if KS isn't getting it done with the play calling then he should fire him.... and the same goes with the defense. I hate the 3-4......wish we would switch back to the 4-3.... QB is the top priority that should get addressed along with offense lineman CB & LB. A dominate DL would be nice also.....

[SirClintonPortis]

Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.

"OL is ass": The OL is very bad; I don't know that I would go quite that far...

"QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game": That is a VERY polite assessment. Neither QB is very good; one of them has been around long enough for us to conclude that he is highly unlikely to develop into a very good QB; the other one is 30 years old with a half-dozen starts in the league all of which turned into losses. I suspect there is more to the problem here than "adjusting to the speed of the game".

"WRs either suck or are not ready": It could be both options are correct here depending on which WR you are focusing on. One BIG question for this team is Mr. Hankerson. Will he become a real NFL caliber WR or is he another Malcom Kelly/Devin Thomas in the making? Thusfar, he has shown precious little on the field.

Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

"OL is ass": The OL is very bad; I don't know that I would go quite that far...

"QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game": That is a VERY polite assessment. Neither QB is very good; one of them has been around long enough for us to conclude that he is highly unlikely to develop into a very good QB; the other one is 30 years old with a half-dozen starts in the league all of which turned into losses. I suspect there is more to the problem here than "adjusting to the speed of the game".

"WRs either suck or are not ready": It could be both options are correct here depending on which WR you are focusing on. One BIG question for this team is Mr. Hankerson. Will he become a real NFL caliber WR or is he another Malcom Kelly/Devin Thomas in the making? Thusfar, he has shown precious little on the field.

Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.

Snap!!!!!!!!!!!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.

The ultimate effect is similar to nepotism, i.e lack of accountability, excessive power, etc.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.

Lack of talent is a factor CP, but they are still NFL athletes and should be competitve, not looking like almost a HS team at times.

[Hog1]

Listening to Kevin Sheehan and I have to agree. It isn't easy to be patient, but he brings several points to bare.
The most important that the past off-season made much progress as to the squad makeup. Much younger...more talented. BUT it would take at least one more offseason of doing a similar job (to see some good results) of evaluating who we have.....letting some go....seeing what vets need to go,etc.
AND we have like 9 or 10 picks coming, a significant amount of $$ under the cap.
Soooo....we should be able to have a great draft and do some damage in the FA market as well.
Rebuilding is not for the weak........ To many years of Vinnie..

[irish]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Listening to Kevin Sheehan and I have to agree. It isn't easy to be patient, but he brings several points to bare.
The most important that the past off-season made much progress as to the squad makeup. Much younger...more talented. BUT it would take at least one more offseason of doing a similar job (to see some good results) of evaluating who we have.....letting some go....seeing what vets need to go,etc.
AND we have like 9 or 10 picks coming, a significant amount of $$ under the cap.
Soooo....we should be able to have a great draft and do some damage in the FA market as well.
Rebuilding is not for the weak........ To many years of Vinnie..

I gotta agree with Sheehan. This team is moving in the right direction after too many years of Vinny's bad drafting and a few years of Gibbs giving away draft picks. This mess isnt going to get fixed overnight.

[hooskins]

Hot seat for sure. To me, hot seat doesn't mean he should be canned. But there is a lot going wrong right now and he is under pressure right now. Teams get it done despite injuries. I would also say what we have seen on the field, especially in terms of offense, raises a lot of concerns. Teams that are rebuilding should be able to make a FG.

[MTK]

"Hot seat" means to me that you are definitely in the running for possibly being fired.

I've never heard of hot seat meaning being held accountable, I mean isn't that pretty much implied for someone who takes any job?

[hooskins]

Well, I look at it from a spectrum perspective. You are accountable from day 1, but when S starts hitting the fan, especially after you have had some impact on the roster (1+ year) the pressure increases. The real "accountability" starts after season one and mid-way into season two, especially with the kind of performances we have had.

For the record, I think Shanny should get another year here. A 4th probably as well, but if things are looking this bad after season 3 too I think you have to consider other options. I hate the setback it causes, but how often are coaches getting full support from the FO with 3-4 years of consecutive losing seasons?

[Landry44]

I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Landry44

I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.

Minus maybe Gibbs II, you could have said that about any of Norv's teams or even Schotty's team. Ditto for Spurrier and Zorn. Both of the scrub Qbs we have make Tony Banks look like a Pro Bowler. Don't even get me going with comparing them to Frerotte. Damn, they make him look like a true franchise QB.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Landry44

I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.

What you are saying is true to a large extent, but that has been the case for the better part of two decades now. Even Gibbs, who had a few core guys to rely on, had talent deficiencies to work with, but still found a way to get into the playoffs. I am all for continuity in the coaching, but get a guy who is young and wants to establish something here, not some overhyped veteran coach with an ulterior motive, who really hasn't proven he is all that. I mean come on, one post Elway playoff victory? The guy was offensively loaded in probably the weakest division in the NFL and only one playoff victory? If Gibbs had that O line and that trio of Rbs, we would have been to the SB at least once more.