New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[T.O.Killa]

Here is the hit htat came in 2006, that is credited with Manning neck injury.

Peyton Manning's Injury - YouTube

I would think this may open the door for Maniing to sue the NFL for possible three times what he might lose because of the injury. That could possbily be over 100 million dollars. This could get ugly.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Here is the hit htat came in 2006, that is credited with Manning neck injury.

Peyton Manning's Injury - YouTube

I would think this may open the door for Maniing to sue the NFL for possible three times what he might lose because of the injury. That could possbily be over 100 million dollars. This could get ugly.

Look at some of the posts under the video, I think more than half the people that watch football, dont even know what the hell they are watching, and just looking at the score.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Here is the hit htat came in 2006, that is credited with Manning neck injury.

Peyton Manning's Injury - YouTube

I would think this may open the door for Maniing to sue the NFL for possible three times what he might lose because of the injury. That could possbily be over 100 million dollars. This could get ugly.

Although Williams was behind the bounty program, who is to say that the Redskins linemen had orders to deliberately hurt Manning? In looking at that clip, it looks like a random ordinary NFL play where anything could happen.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Although Williams was behind the bounty program, who is to say that the Redskins linemen had orders to deliberately hurt Manning? In looking at that clip, it looks like a random ordinary NFL play where anything could happen.

Who's to say they weren't trying to hurt him? That's the problem with all this.

If guys are being rewarded for big hits, and being rewarded even more for knocking a guy out of a game, you almost have to assume that any borderline looking play was dirty and there was intent to injure.

Not sure how you're still not seeing the problem that bounties create.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who's to say they weren't trying to hurt him? That's the problem with all this.

If guys are being rewarded for big hits, and being rewarded even more for knocking a guy out of a game, you almost have to assume that any borderline looking play was dirty and there was intent to injure.

Not sure how you're still not seeing the problem that bounties create.

As Laron Landry has shown many times over, going for the big hit also means there is a good chance you are going to whiff on the tackle (people seem to have forgotten this).

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who's to say they weren't trying to hurt him? That's the problem with all this.

If guys are being rewarded for big hits, and being rewarded even more for knocking a guy out of a game, you almost have to assume that any borderline looking play was dirty and there was intent to injure.

Not sure how you're still not seeing the problem that bounties create.

It's pretty amazing.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who's to say they weren't trying to hurt him? That's the problem with all this.

If guys are being rewarded for big hits, and being rewarded even more for knocking a guy out of a game, you almost have to assume that any borderline looking play was dirty and there was intent to injure.

Not sure how you're still not seeing the problem that bounties create.

I lost all respect for Williams and the players that went along with it. I understand players trying to make hard hits, but any player or coach promoting hurting another player, should not play or coach in the NFL. After seeing that hit against Manning, it made me sick to think that Carter or Daniels got a bonus because they hurt Manning.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I lost all respect for Williams and the players that went along with it. I understand players trying to make hard hits, but any player or coach promoting hurting another player, should not play or coach in the NFL. After seeing that hit against Manning, it made me sick to think that Carter or Daniels got a bonus because they hurt Manning.

Is there a link to that video.

[Alvin Walton]

Holy foxballs!
I didnt know that was VS Washington.

[FRPLG]

My only issue with all of this is that based on what has been reported this kind of practice seems like it is pretty prevalent across the league. On one hand I understand they're trying to make an example and put this stuff to end immediately. On the other if it is a prevalent as it seems then there is no way way that this isn't something the EVERYONE knew went on. Owners, FOs, League office all the way through In which case it is sorta BS to try and make some giant example out of the Saints and Co. Now if the league ends up making this a "they lied and didn't stop it once we told them to" then I can understand. But if the Skins get major sanctions I am going to be a little pissed off about that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

My only issue with all of this is that based on what has been reported this kind of practice seems like it is pretty prevalent across the league. On one hand I understand they're trying to make an example and put this stuff to end immediately. On the other if it is a prevalent as it seems then there is no way way that this isn't something the EVERYONE knew went on. Owners, FOs, League office all the way through In which case it is sorta BS to try and make some giant example out of the Saints and Co. Now if the league ends up making this a "they lied and didn't stop it once we told them to" then I can understand. But if the Skins get major sanctions I am going to be a little pissed off about that.

It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

Great points. As far as GW's hiring by the Rams, I wouldn't be surprised if his buddy Jeff Fisher knew about his bounty program. Whether or not he was going to allow it in his locker room is a different story. But yeah, it's strange that the NFL wouldn't have informed the Rams about the investigation and the potential severity of the situation.

As far as the HOF game, do the Saints have some important former players up for selection or something? It's a shame because instead of celebration the history of the game, that entire week is going to be bounty-gate ad nausem.

[MTK]

Matt Bowen: Bounties are part of the NFL - Chicago Tribune

Prices were set on Saturday nights in the team hotel.

In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players. We targeted big names, our sights set on taking them out of the game.