Skins Viks Postgame

[Bucket]

How our defense could flourish with a guy like Sean Lee in the middle. I really believe that. When was the last time Fletcher's name has been called in a game? Love the guy, but we need a playmaker in the most important position on defense.

[GTripp0012]

The special teams sucks because the Redskins don't value it when it comes time to evaluate players. Keith Burns isn't helping, but there's not enough that can be done in November to overcome the negligence this team shows towards special teams in March and April.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The special teams sucks because the Redskins don't value it when it comes time to evaluate players. Keith Burns isn't helping, but there's not enough that can be done in November to overcome the negligence this team shows towards special teams in March and April.

I really don't believe this. I would be interested in your proof, because I tend to think Shanahan has generally regarded ST as a proving ground and held it in high regard. On the flipside, I can't offer any proof, because I don't really know how you prove it. I do think ST coaching has been lacking though.

[Bucket]

Also, those who want Kyles head for calling a fade on 4th down. It was a hot route that RG3 played. Not Kyle... Reed was open because his defender slipped. Would of been an easy TD if Griffin didn't lock in the hot read. Which is irony of course.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Seriously?!?! The O-line, while not perfect was #5 in sacks allowed and the team is in the top 5 running the ball coming into last night.

So far the team has drafted almost an entire line (T. Williams, LeReibus, Gettis, Compton). Now development of those players can be discussed but using draft picks on O-linemen is about 15th on the list of what's wrong with this team.


As a poster before mentioned, these problems aren't new. These same problems have occurred since, honestly, Schottenheimer left. Those issues happened with Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn and Shanny. It's organizational. The issues stem from a cultural lack of accountability throughout the Redskins franchise.

Do they? Spurrier and Zorn couldnt coach for the most well oiled franchise. Gibbs 2 is not Gibbs 1, he had been really removed from football for a long time and absorbed with nascar. Which leaves Shanny. I do not want to get into that debate, but he was not setting the world on fire for several years in Denver and it is looking more and more like his best years are behind him. So I would argue that you could make the case that the "rite" guy could fix things. I mean Snyder has pretty much stopped his bologna and seems to be resided to the fact that he is the owner and football people should be in charge. He is not afraid to open the checkbook and the fanbase is loyal. Snyder is not Jerry Jones. We are not Jacksonville. The rite guy comes here and he could have the rest of the league by the balls.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do they? Spurrier and Zorn couldnt coach for the most well oiled franchise. Gibbs 2 is not Gibbs 1, he had been really removed from football for a long time and absorbed with nascar. Which leaves Shanny. I do not want to get into that debate, but he was not setting the world on fire for several years in Denver and it is looking more and more like his best years are behind him. So I would argue that you could make the case that the "rite" guy could fix things. I mean Snyder has pretty much stopped his bologna and seems to be resided to the fact that he is the owner and football people should be in charge. He is not afraid to open the checkbook and the fanbase is loyal. Snyder is not Jerry Jones. We are not Jacksonville. The rite guy comes here and he could have the rest of the league by the balls.

This is the key with the next coaching staff. I know the owner will always have input, but the next HC needs to come from the FO not the owner.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I just dont think the expectations should be multiple special teams breakdown each week. The penalty on teams have been turdble as well. I dont think Zo being here would solve much this year on teams.

Is turdble like terrible and turd?
Edit: because that is a perfect word for it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Is turdble like terrible and turd?

exactly, i would like word to replace the word for "Redskins special teams"

[MTK]

We're not just talking $18M but $36M over 2 years. That's a pretty significant handcuff.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're not just talking $18M but $36M over 2 years. That's a pretty significant handcuff.

Skins still made the playoffs last year even with the penalty.

I understand the impact of the penalty, I just do not think its an excuse for Skins not to be performing. Besides Alexander there was no significant player they could not resign, there was no combination of players in free agency that would have changed this 3-6 team into an actual respectable team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Skins still made the playoffs last year even with the penalty.

I understand the impact of the penalty, I just do not think its an excuse for Skins not to be performing. Besides Alexander there was no significant player they could not resign, there was no combination of players in free agency that would have changed this 3-6 team into an actual respectable team.

I don't think it can be written off as a non-factor.

Take away $36M from any team and there's going to be ramifications.

No free agents could have helped this year? I really find that hard to believe.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it can be written off as a non-factor.

Take away $36M from any team and there's going to be ramifications.

No free agents could have helped this year? I really find that hard to believe.

Yeah, I don't see how that $36 million penalty is a non-factor. That's a bit of a stretch.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it can be written off as a non-factor.

Take away $36M from any team and there's going to be ramifications.

No free agents could have helped this year? I really find that hard to believe.

The Redskins already have a team pretty much built on free agency. I think not having two first round picks will have more of an impact than the cap penalty.

Free Agency to me will always be one of the most overrated aspects to building a successful NFL team. Teams tend to turn around quicker through the draft than free agency. Resigning players is by far the most important part of free agency.

Plus the concept of a Salary Cap is a joke but that is a topic for another day.

[calia]

Originally Posted by donofriose

The Redskins already have a team pretty much built on free agency. I think not having two first round picks will have more of an impact than the cap penalty.

Free Agency to me will always be one of the most overrated aspects to building a successful NFL team. Teams tend to turn around quicker through the draft than free agency. Resigning players is by far the most important part of free agency.

Plus the concept of a Salary Cap is a joke but that is a topic for another day.

I don't see it that way -- important contributors from the draft (or undrafted free agents) include: RGIII, Morris, Amerson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Reed, Doughty, Montgomery, Williams, Forbath, Golston, Hankerson, Robinson, and probably a bunch of other guys that don't immediately come to mind. And a number of our relatively recent FA signings have been good: D. Hall, Cofield, Garcon, Chester. But our current roster is nothing like the FA hot mess that was the 2000 team. But I wouldn't say our team was built on free agency, and we have recent signings that show that you don't need a lot of money to get value if you're smart. There will be busts from time to time -- true of the draft and true of FAs -- and we have them as all teams do. But with the $36MM in the last two years, had wwe acquired some O line and D line help, or LB help -- even just one impact player in each area -- I imagine that we'd be noticeably better off.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it can be written off as a non-factor.

Take away $36M from any team and there's going to be ramifications.

No free agents could have helped this year? I really find that hard to believe.

especially special teams . . . the depth players are not making very much as we couldn't afford those guys . . .