2015 Draft Prospects... First Edition

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Positions of need factor into the "best player available" draft strategy. If a player who plays a position of need is judged to be close in draft value to one who plays a position where there is little need, then SM may take the player at the position on need. But if the player who is not at a position of need is judged to be a much better prospect than the one at a position of need, then SM would probably take the much better player. Every team makes these types of value judgements. Draft strategies are not black and white but shades of gray.

Agreed. Scotty is apparently very interested in Cooper. The question is: How much better does SM think Cooper is than Fowler or one of the other top 3 OLB prospects?

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Agreed. Scotty is apparently very interested in Cooper. The question is: How much better does SM think Cooper is than Fowler or one of the other top 3 OLB prospects?

I am late to this were is the article saying Scotty is very interested in Cooper.

[SFREDSKIN]

If Scot is seriously interested in Cooper then I would say adios to Garçon cause he will be traded. I just can't see 3 highly paid WR's (Cooper will be the cheapest) in one team. I call it a bluff.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Scot is seriously interested in Cooper then I would say adios to Garçon cause he will be traded. I just can't see 3 highly paid WR's (Cooper will be the cheapest) in one team. I call it a bluff.

I don't, he didn't sign Garcon but I don't see him trading him either.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Scot is seriously interested in Cooper then I would say adios to Garçon cause he will be traded. I just can't see 3 highly paid WR's (Cooper will be the cheapest) in one team. I call it a bluff.

In the draft, Devante Parker and Dorial Green-Beckham would be a better fit for the Redskins because of their strong red-zone ability. I've heard both being compared to AJ Green because of their size, ball skills, and athleticism.

Only problem with Green-Beckham is off-field risks for availability, but he probably won't make it past the 1st round.

And yes, there is a considerable amount of investment at the wr position, but right now it's mainly dollars and cap space and that's completely different than investing a high first round choice would be. And these wide receivers would fill one of the biggest holes on the redskins - a big red-zone target.

[JoeRedskin]

Just went back and looked B. Irvin coming out of W.Va. in 2012 when SMcC was with Seattle. In terms of their measurables, he is similar to Randy Gregory although Irvin had a little more weight coming out (235 v. 248). Both are speed rushers and most draftniks at the time felt Irvin was a reach as pass-rushing DE.

If McC thinks Gregory otherwise fits his profile, I can see McC not being deterred by Gregory's lack of weight.

[tc2deuce]

We are not getting Cooper or Mariota at number 5! These are smokescreens to get teams to trade up for our 5th spot.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

We are not getting Cooper or Mariota at number 5! These are smokescreens to get teams to trade up for our 5th spot.

I hope you are right, an extra early pick would be huge......OLB, T, and G in the first two rounds would be great

[Chico23231]

Why on god's green ganja earth does the draft start on April 29th? The league needs to move this shit up to the weekend after Easter.

[KI Skins Fan]

Here's how I feel about the Redskins draft, in general:

1. If we don't get an immediate starter in the first round, then we failed. I don't want to hear about BPA, depth, or anything else. We have the #5 pick, for goodness sakes!

2. If we get two players who become starters by the end of the season, then we did a very good job.

3. If we get three players who become starters before the end of the season, then I'd say we did an outstanding job.

4. I'm assuming in all three of the above scenarios that we'll also draft two or threes other players who will make the team as backups, for now, as they develop.

SM says that drafting well is the key to building a team, so he needs to deliver.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Here's how I feel about the Redskins draft, in general:

1. If we don't get an immediate starter in the first round, then we failed. I don't want to hear about BPA, depth, or anything else. We have the #5 pick, for goodness sakes!

2. If we get two players who become starters by the end of the season, then we did a very good job.

3. If we get three players who become starters before the end of the season, then I'd say we did an outstanding job.

4. I'm assuming in all three of the above scenarios that we'll also draft two or threes other players who will make the team as backups, for now, as they develop.

SM says that drafting well is the key to building a team, so he needs to deliver.

While I generally agree with Nos. 2-4, I disagree with you about No. 1. As to No. 1, while we should absolutely get a starter out of the No. 5 pick, let me ask you this:

(1) Do we draft the guy who SM thinks has the potential to be a perennial pro-bowler and possibly all-pro guy at a position for which we may not need immediate help or who may need a short (half season/full season) to be a spot player as he adjusts to the NFL (ex. - WR)? OR

(2) Do we draft the guy who SM thinks will be a solid/good starter - but nothing special - in the league and will likely play from Day 1 due to the team's poor talent at the position (ex. - OL)?

[BTW - As an extreme example of this type of choice, in 1975, Walter Payton was 4th pick. In his first year, he started only 7 games, didn't play at all in one game, and gained only 679 yards with a 3.5 yd/carry average. At the 5th pick, Cleveland choose Mack Mitchell who started all 14 games his first year, played regularly after that but was out of the league six years later. At the 3rd pick, Baltimore picked Ken Huff who didn't start at all his first two years but played in the league 11 years and, after his third, was a regular starter the remainder of his years. While never a pro bowler, he was a good (but not much more) player the majority of his career.]

To me, if you are truly committed to building for long term, you pick the best talent unless there is a very good reason not to do so. Consistent with this, and the reason I bolded your last statement, expecting what Scotty McC "delivers" on his first draft with the team to be immediately apparent to the fans represents short term thinking.

It's great to hope for immediate impact from a draft class, but, if you expect immediate impact - and attempt to judge SM based on it - you are doomed to failure. Right now, if truly committed to the long term build, get the best guys on the board and check back in four years. This year, I have no expectation from SM other than that he will draft several players who, in a couple years, will be considered very solid guys.

With Scot McC, based on his reputation and his free agent pick-ups, I think there has been a sea change at Redskins park. I also think the vast majority Skins' fans, who have never seen how a consistent winner is built, are going to be completely frustrated for a bit. As for me, unless the picks are completely whack-a-doodle crazy, in Scot I trust.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

While I generally agree with Nos. 2-4, I disagree with you about No. 1. As to No. 1, while we should absolutely get a starter out of the No. 5 pick, let me ask you this:

(1) Do we draft the guy who SM thinks has the potential to be a perennial pro-bowler and possibly all-pro guy at a position for which we may not need immediate help or who may need a short (half season/full season) to be a spot player as he adjusts to the NFL (ex. - WR)? OR

(2) Do we draft the guy who SM thinks will be a solid/good starter - but nothing special - in the league and will likely play from Day 1 due to the team's poor talent at the position (ex. - OL)?

[BTW - As an extreme example of this type of choice, in 1975, Walter Payton was 4th pick. In his first year, he started only 7 games, didn't play at all in one game, and gained only 679 yards with a 3.5 yd/carry average. At the 5th pick, Cleveland choose Mack Mitchell who started all 14 games his first year, played regularly after that but was out of the league six years later. At the 3rd pick, Baltimore picked Ken Huff who didn't start at all his first two years but played in the league 11 years and, after his third, was a regular starter the remainder of his years. While never a pro bowler, he was a good (but not much more) player the majority of his career.]

To me, if you are truly committed to building for long term, you pick the best talent unless there is a very good reason not to do so. Consistent with this, and the reason I bolded your last statement, expecting what Scotty McC "delivers" on his first draft with the team to be immediately apparent to the fans represents short term thinking.

It's great to hope for immediate impact from a draft class, but, if you expect immediate impact - and attempt to judge SM based on it - you are doomed to failure. Right now, if truly committed to the long term build, get the best guys on the board and check back in four years. This year, I have no expectation from SM other than that he will draft several players who, in a couple years, will be considered very solid guys.

With Scot McC, based on his reputation and his free agent pick-ups, I think there has been a sea change at Redskins park. I also think the vast majority Skins' fans, who have never seen how a consistent winner is built, are going to be completely frustrated for a bit. As for me, unless the picks are completely whack-a-doodle crazy, in Scot I trust.

This.

[Evilgrin]

Cooper is a stud, he is gonna be a day 1 contributor. He is tough to pass on, but really iffy to make it to the 5th pick.

[Hog1]

According to Kevin and Thom, SD is offering Phillip Rivers and their first rounder for a top 5 pick this draft...
You in?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Hog1

According to Kevin and Thom, SD is offering Phillip Rivers and their first rounder for a top 5 pick this draft...
You in?

Not even a little bit