It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

[SmootSmack]

I think, rightly or wrongly, the Redskins put themselves or are put into almost every discussion. More often than not though it's the Redskins Front Office saying no at the end. But, I guess because of past history, people don't want to believe that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think, rightly or wrongly, the Redskins put themselves or are put into almost every discussion. More often than not though it's the Redskins Front Office saying no at the end. But, I guess because of past history, people don't want to believe that.

Well, even if we are put into a discussion without any credible reason, it's because of the precedent Danny has set.

As far as us saying no at the end, I hope you're right. If I knew that for sure, I'd certainly have a lot more confidence. But I'll take your word on it.

When Danny gets his mind set on someone, he almost always get him, regardless of cost. That's why I have a hard time believing we just push back from the table when the price gets too steep.

Wanna fight about it?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, even if we are put into a discussion without any credible reason, it's because of the precedent Danny has set.

As far as us saying no at the end, I hope you're right. If I knew that for sure, I'd certainly have a lot more confidence. But I'll take your word on it.

When Danny gets his mind set on someone, he almost always get him, regardless of cost. That's why I have a hard time believing we just push back from the table when the price gets too steep.

Wanna fight about it?

So do you think that Snyder would have kept upping his offer until Denver said yes and they decided to go with a lesser offer? All he had to do was say (in your logic) 'whatever anyone else offers, we'll do that plus an additional first' and we would have gotten him. Everybody has their limits to what they're willing to do.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So do you think that Snyder would have kept upping his offer until Denver said yes and they decided to go with a lesser offer? All he had to do was say (in your logic) 'whatever anyone else offers, we'll do that plus an additional first' and we would have gotten him. Everybody has their limits to what they're willing to do.

I guess maybe I worded that wrongly. I don't think Snyder is a totally blind fool (close though), but we all know he will overpay, sometimes grossly, when he really wants a guy. He's not scared of a pissing contest. That's all I meant.

[SmootSmack]

Anyhow, Campbell has handled very well through all of this. But I wouldn't mind seeing him get a little pissed off and take absolute command of this team on and off the field. It kind of reminds of earlier this season when the Grizzlies benched PG Mike Conley (I think it was Conley) and his reaction was "oh well, whatever the team needs" and the President of the Grizzlies said "No, this is what is pissing us off about you. Get mad! Get upset! Get out there and demand that the job is yours and prove it. Enough of the nice guy act"

[724Skinsfan]

I wouldn't mind knowing exactly what Snyder said to anybody in the Denver FO regarding the trade. Did he make a cursory inquiry or did he actually engage in super serious negotiations? If anybody has confirmed knowledge, not media speculation, of Snyder's actual actions please speak up.

[FRPLG]

Okay after reading this entire thread. SmootSmack stop being so reasonable!

Oh and Tripp...what you said. Anyone here trying to make an argument against Tripp has failed entirely. Epic fail really.

[T.O.Killa]

This sucks.

[SmootSmack]

Also, we weren't the only team saying we were/are committed to our current starting QB and not interested. It's part of the negotiation.

[53Fan]

Actually I feel pretty good right now. Mr. Snyder found out you don't always get what you want. Hopefully JC will show him this year that that is not always a bad thing. For those who want to bash our QB, Get over it. He's who we have and we'll see how well he does in his second season w/Zorn. Somehow I feel we got away from making a big mistake. If JC does'nt cut it this year, whoever the new QB is will be taking over a better team than Cutler would have because we didn't throw away our picks. I feel good, just like I knew I would.

[ethat001]

Just watched NFL Videos on nfl.com and Charley Casserly was saying how he thought Snyder would have easilly matched the Bears offer. He thought the difference was Kyle Orton was a better "fit" for the Denver offense. Sad to think that they may have thought that Orton was better than Campbell.

The Broncos got a lot of picks but probably got screwed. They should've just stuck with Cutler - he'd have to come back to camp eventually. Now ppl think they'll have to bundle picks to try to grab Sanchez early.. and then end up just where they started, but with a rookie QB and no first rounder to use on their horrible defense.

Well, either way -- now we have all our picks. I'm hoping for an OT, and if JC still has trouble this year, we can try to give Colt a chance, and then draft one of the 3-5 QB's next year. Guess the mock drafts just changed a little bit.

[irish]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Just watched NFL Videos on nfl.com and Charley Casserly was saying how he thought Snyder would have easilly matched the Bears offer. He thought the difference was Kyle Orton was a better "fit" for the Denver offense. Sad to think that they may have thought that Orton was better than Campbell.

The Broncos got a lot of picks but probably got screwed. They should've just stuck with Cutler - he'd have to come back to camp eventually. Now ppl think they'll have to bundle picks to try to grab Sanchez early.. and then end up just where they started, but with a rookie QB and no first rounder to use on their horrible defense.

Well, either way -- now we have all our picks. I'm hoping for an OT, and if JC still has trouble this year, we can try to give Colt a chance, and then draft one of the 3-5 QB's next year. Guess the mock drafts just changed a little bit.

Thats exactly what Denver thought. If Campbell had to be part of the deal that was going to make it a tough sell. I was on the fence about this deal in that I am sure Cutler was going to be an upgrade but not really the franchise QB some think. With Campbell at the helm it will be another year of sputtering offense and less that 20ppg.

[Beemnseven]

Can we all at least agree that Lil' Danny's line about "learning patience from Coach Gibbs" is complete nonsense now?

They had to know that this was really a huge gamble. If the trade didn't go through you have to come crawling back -- is this something Gibbs would have done? I don't think so.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Can we all at least agree that Lil' Danny's line about "learning patience from Coach Gibbs" is complete nonsense now?

They had to know that this was really a huge gamble. If the trade didn't go through you have to come crawling back -- is this something Gibbs would have done? I don't think so.

I don't really know where that came from anyways. During the Gibbs years we had more turnover of the roster and acquisition misses (Brunell, Archuleta, Lloyd to name a few) than we did since 2000. I've said before and will say again, the Gibbs 2.0 era set our franchise back 8-10 years (the 4 years he was here and the 4 it will take to revise our roster) and we're still trying to recover from it.

[Stuck in TX]

Hey I am glad Snyder backed off. We have been doing so well in the past few years of drafting instead of trading away picks for vet's. I would like to say, however, that Orton IMO is a very underrated QB and will quickly become overrated in that high powered offense if he gets to start. One may ask who the winner was in this trade: Denver? Chicago? Cutler? The answer that no one expects is Orton. He will come out of this smelling like roses as long as he doesnt shoot himself in the foot. Cutler, on the other hand, will have to work extra hard in a stagnant offense to prove he is worth all the hype he has caused.