Arizona's New Immigration Law

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

We need to secure the border, but this area has always been the way it is. As for those here illegally, some can stay some can't staty. not all these illegal imigrants are good. We have no right to ask someone for their papers because they look like they may be Mexican. This is America we don't get down like that.

Agree 100% with the bolded point. But we do have the right (and law enforcement has the responsibility) to ask for immigration status in the event someone has broken the law. The AZ law is to do away with the "sanctuary city" model, not to stop a father taking his kids to get ice cream and ask for papers.

Two teenage girls died a couple of years ago in Va Beach because of non-enforcement of immigration laws and I'm sure many other cities have similar stories.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agree 100% with the bolded point. But we do have the right (and law enforcement has the responsibility) to ask for immigration status in the event someone has broken the law. The AZ law is to do away with the "sanctuary city" model, not to stop a father taking his kids to get ice cream and ask for papers.

Two teenage girls died a couple of years ago in Va Beach because of non-enforcement of immigration laws and I'm sure many other cities have similar stories.

where you been the last few days missed you.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

We need to secure the border, but this area has always been the way it is. As for those here illegally, some can stay some can't staty. not all these illegal imigrants are good. We have no right to ask someone for their papers because they look like they may be Mexican. This is America we don't get down like that.

Here is my issue. I don't live there. I'm not right in the mix of all the problems. I don't feel I should have a say in what the "Americans" can and can't do who are actually going through the problems.

I will say that what irritates me more then anything is the fact that people fail to realize illegal immigrants do not have the same rights as Americans. I still can't figure out how or why "Citizen rights" quickly got meshed and confused with "Human rights." When you look at the Amendments those are rights designated for "Citizens." Especially the Bill of Rights. Only refers to Citizens. If your not a "Citizen" those rights don't apply to you. The Feds, local police, ICE whoever are not breaking any laws agains illegals when they don't have those rights granted to them. The only people who might have a leg to argue about is the "legal immigrants." If I was of hispanic origin and kept getting stopped and harrassed about papers I might get upset.

In my book, Human rights should only pertain to making sure they are not bleeding to death. Otherwise, ship them back.

I do find the rules regarding Cubans funny and unfair compared to other illegal immigrants. If the Cuban makes it to the US and touches soil they can stay. No one can deport them. lol.

[joethiesmanfan]

"Time and changes in the condition and constitution of society may require occasional and corresponding modifications." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:113

[CRedskinsRule]

Poll: Nearly two-thirds back AZ law - First Read - msnbc.com

[SBXVII]

I wanted to point this out today...lol. Why would Arizona care what LA thinks about their new law?
FOXNews.com - Los Angeles City Council Votes to Boycott Arizona Over Immigration Law

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I wanted to point this out today...lol. Why would Arizona care what LA thinks about their new law?
FOXNews.com - Los Angeles City Council Votes to Boycott Arizona Over Immigration Law

Los Angeles is broke why should AR care. LA better be ready because alot of illegals will be moving out of AR because of this law and will be moving to friendly cities like LA. LA is allready broke and this will just make things worse. If I was a mayor or governor of a boarder city or state to AR I'd atleast start talking tough to try and prevent the flood of illegals coming to my area.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Los Angeles is broke why should AR care. LA better be ready because alot of illegals will be moving out of AR because of this law and will be moving to friendly cities like LA. LA is allready broke and this will just make things worse. If I was a mayor or governor of a boarder city or state to AR I'd atleast start talking tough to try and prevent the flood of illegals coming to my area.

It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

I realize this is completely off topic, but are you pissed off that our federal dollars first paid to destroy Germany (firebombing Dresden anyone) and Japan(Hiroshima/firebombing Tokyo) and then paid to rebuild it(40 years of NATO subsidies/SEATO ) how did those work out for the world and for us?
Last I checked we do send a ton of federal money to each of the cities you mentioned, plus every other one in the country.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

I'll second that. I know pulling out of Iraq would have caused us issues in the future. But if Iraq does not have money then they can find a way to pay us some other way. Hell when sanctions were put in place China and France continued trade for oil. I don't see why it would be a problem to be reimbursed in oil.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

And you have that right if thats the way you feel. Maybe you should call Obama and tell him its time to bring the troops home like he promised his supporters he would do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

Well illegals are costing the tax payers a little over 300 BILLION a year.

[SBXVII]

I stand corrected. I don't agree with it but I'll admit I was wrong.

Civil and political rights were among the first to be recognized and codified. In many countries, they are constitutional rights and are included in a bill of rights or similar document. They are also defined in international human rights instruments, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, age, immigrant status, etc; and individual rights such as the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement

Again I don't agree with it. If your a citizen then obviously these rights should apply to you, but how on earth should these rules apply to people who show up from another country uninvited and automatically receive same and equal treatment as citizens? I'm not refering to people who are allowed to come or stay and have green cards and are attempting to become citizens, I'm talking about the illegal that walks across the boarder today and automatically should receive these rights.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I stand corrected. I don't agree with it but I'll admit I was wrong.





Again I don't agree with it. If your a citizen then obviously these rights should apply to you, but how on earth should these rules apply to people who show up from another country uninvited and automatically receive same and equal treatment as citizens? I'm not refering to people who are allowed to come or stay and have green cards and are attempting to become citizens, I'm talking about the illegal that walks across the boarder today and automatically should receive these rights.

So you're in favor of opening people up to legal abuse and discrimination? You would really want to open that can of worms?

I really don't care how someone gets here, they should be allowed the same basic protections that everyone else has.