John Beck Era Begins

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now we are predicting that Rex would have done worse. Wow. honestly folks. Beck didn't do any better then Grossman. 2 turnovers and it could have been 3.

He did do better

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Bucket

He did do better

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

Both.. Beck is our savior. Don't deny it.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Better than which Rex?

1) Beck against Carolina was NOT better than Rex against the Giants.

or

2) Beck against Carolina was better than Rex against Philly.

Beck vs Carolina > Grossman vs. Cowboys, Eagles, Rams

[Gtothearry]

Beck played better then Rex no doubt. I'm satisfied with his performance but the D didn't do their job today.

[SirClintonPortis]

Bad first half, but he showed a little mojo in him in the second half. We'll see if this is his best or if he can improve. As for Hank, he can ****ing die.

[over the mountain]

beck looked below average considering the caliber of D he was facing . . he was basically facing the john beck of defenses .. . . not that rex or any other qb on our roster would do better . . . what was carolina? 31st entering today?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

beck looked below average considering the caliber of D he was facing . . he was basically facing the john beck of defenses .. . . not that rex or any other qb on our roster would do better . . . what was carolina? 31st entering today?

Yes. Beck was not bad but he was not great: he missed open receivers, threw into double coverage, and was lucky not to have some balls picked (the actual INT was not his fault).

We have low standards if we think that Beck was really good.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes. Beck was not bad but he was not great: he missed open receivers, threw into double coverage, and was lucky not to have some balls picked (the actual INT was not his fault).

We have low standards if we think that Beck was really good.

I'd give him the ambiguous grade of needs improvement. But, as I see it, there is room for some hope. If he fails as a starter, then he'd be a good backup for us at least.

[Stuck in TX]

Right now we need a game manager. The way the rushing game started out, it looked promising. Beck just needed to hang in there and not make too many mistakes, give the ball to the running back, and not make stupid throws. Like it or not, our defense let us down today. How many drives of the Panthers started inside their own 10? Beck doesnt have the stature to win games for us, at least not yet. He does have what it takes to manage a steady game into victory. Recievers need to catch and our defensive backfield needs to wake the hell up.

[The Goat]

I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half Kyle went away from the run, which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. We should have run the effing ball down their throat and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and if we start pounding the rock. I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. Pound the rock and stop effing around.

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half Kyle went away from the run, which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. We should have run the effing ball down their throat and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and if we start pounding the rock. I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. Pound the rock and stop effing around.

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

I totally agree. This team has an O line that is barely servicable and with Hightower out no real threat at RB. There was an interesting artice in today's WP where Carolina's D was saying they pretty much knew what plays the Redskins were going to run (and calling them out at the line) because they saw on film how limited the Skins are in what they can do on O. I think Kyle's system works fine as he showed in Houston but unfortunately he doesnt have nearly enough talent to run the system how he wants.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

Agreed. We need to pound the rock, but it shouldn't be run, run, pass every...stinking...drive. Seriously, Kyle might as well flip a coin before calling a play. If heads = run, if tails=pass. (Toss a coin 100 times and record the data. There will be streaks of consective heads and consecutive tails)

It'll give a better mix than just calling the plays willy-nilly.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.