Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Jackson was here before Shanny.

he said developing

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Jackson was here before Shanny.

I know, kinda my point. When Shanny came in, Jackson was not a starter, but a developmental player in whom, apparently, Shanny saw something.

Look, it's paying off 3 years later.

[JoeRedskin]

As to the substance, Jackson is the type of player who is the meat and potatoes of most good teams. Someone who flashes well and when called to step in do so admirably. RJ is not and likely never will be a multi-pro bowl type guy. He is someone that can play well in this league.

Let's not forget, however, this is his 5th year. It's not like he just came on out of nowhere, he is a someone who has grown up in the system after having a couple years to get his feet wet. He's got 5 more solid, unspectacular years left in him. I hope we retain him for those. Reminds me a lot of Mel Kaufman/Monte Coleman from the 80's.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

More comments to ignore from Goat world.

Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.

[JoeRedskin]

Unrepentant, inconsistent, irrational argument needs to be highlighted, whether it is mine, Goat's or SmootSmack's argument. I will welcome Goat into the light when he stops resorting to tautological fallicies and then pretending he has never done so.

I feel safe that the lights in Goat World will remain off.

[CultBrennan59]

Rob Jackson had one interception against cleveland and their rookie QB and now people are here saying he could replace Orakpo or Kerrigan. Lets see some consistency before we give anyone a starter title

[Lotus]

Rob Jackson has really developed as a pass rusher and in coverage. Love me some 50.

But to say he is the same or better than Rak is pure foolishness. He lacks Rak's power and burst, for one.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Rob Jackson had one interception against cleveland and their rookie QB and now people are here saying he could replace Orakpo or Kerrigan. Lets see some consistency before we give anyone a starter title

to be fair, he had an interception against Cincinnati too.

I agree though, and Rak actually looked pretty good in coverage prior to his injury this season.

I do believe however, that Jackson has all the tools to be a starter.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Rob Jackson had one interception against cleveland and their rookie QB and now people are here saying he could replace Orakpo or Kerrigan. Lets see some consistency before we give anyone a starter title

Is four sacks in the last five games consistent enough? All wins. He has three interceptions and 2 forced fumbles with two games to play. So he has caused five turnovers for our defense.
I am not saying get rid of Orakpo, keep them both, but Jackson should play his fair share and not waste away on the bench.
I highly disagree with some that say Orakpo is better against the run. No sir. Orakpo sometimes on run plays guesses wrong and goes for the sack. Completely over running the play and failing to keep gap responsibility. Jackson is better at setting the edge against the run. Jackson is better in space and making football decisions on the fly. That skill can not be measured by stats.
Orakpo has not blossomed into the dominate LB he is supposed to be at this point in his career. Yes he has sacks, but he has weakness' in his game at point in his career where he should be past them. Kerrigan was already surpassed Orakpo at OLB.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Is four sacks in the last five games consistent enough? All wins. He has three interceptions and 2 forced fumbles with two games to play. So he has caused five turnovers for our defense.
I am not saying get rid of Orakpo, keep them both, but Jackson should play his fair share and not waste away on the bench.
I highly disagree with some that say Orakpo is better against the run. No sir. Orakpo sometimes on run plays guesses wrong and goes for the sack. Completely over running the play and failing to keep gap responsibility. Jackson is better at setting the edge against the run. Jackson is better in space and making football decisions on the fly. That skill can not be measured by stats.
Orakpo has not blossomed into the dominate LB he is supposed to be at this point in his career. Yes he has sacks, but he has weakness' in his game at point in his career where he should be past them. Kerrigan was already surpassed Orakpo at OLB.

Yes, Rob has played well of late, but he has been inconsistent. There was a stretch since after his INT against Cincy where I forgot he was even on the team. It wasn't until like you said 4 games ago that I was like "Oh yeah Rob Jacksons still on this team". I need to see more consistency from Rob Jackson before I start thinking of him as a starting caliber player on this team or any other team for that sake.

[rbanerjee23]

Regarding the pass rush -- I can't speak to how often it is called but it seems as though 80% of holds against LBs don't get called. Maybe I am misunderstanding the rule but in the replays it seems as though an OT has to have a linebacker in the choker before a hold is called.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Regarding the pass rush -- I can't speak to how often it is called but it seems as though 80% of holds against LBs don't get called. Maybe I am misunderstanding the rule but in the replays it seems as though an OT has to have a linebacker in the choker before a hold is called.

They just don't call holding like they used to.

It's an offense driven league.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

They just don't call holding like they used to.

It's an offense driven league.

Seems like the pass rushers have just gotten too good. They never call the sideways arm bar neck block that is really obviously a hold...but if they did call it then eventually the QB would start getting sacked like 15 times a game. Orakpo gets held like that like every play...same with Kerrigan.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seems like the pass rushers have just gotten too good. They never call the sideways arm bar neck block that is really obviously a hold...but if they did call it then eventually the QB would start getting sacked like 15 times a game. Orakpo gets held like that like every play...same with Kerrigan.

It was just pathetic on the MNF against the Giants when Chucky pretty much showed a replay of Kerrigan being put on a choke hold by the Giants' lineman.