Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change

[Hog1]

“There are so many more issues that are important for the tribe than to waste time on what a team is called. We’re worried about real things, and I don’t consider that a real thing.”

G. Anne Richardson

Chief of Virginia’s Rappahannock Tribe
This sort of realistic and rational thought has no place in a PC discussion whipped up by the ACLU.........

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

“There are so many more issues that are important for the tribe than to waste time on what a team is called. We’re worried about real things, and I don’t consider that a real thing.”

G. Anne Richardson

Chief of Virginia’s Rappahannock Tribe
This sort of realistic and rational thought has no place in a PC discussion whipped up by the ACLU.........

I would kinda take it more seriously if it was more than just the Oneida tribe complaining but it seems the vast majority of other tribes seem to have bigger fish to fry.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I said that (the shutting the casinos thing) in jest. If we're talking about shutting out and shutting down anything and everything that can be offensive then then this tribe should take a long hard look at themselves. It is proven fact that gambling has ruined families and cost lives. It's not a proven fact that the term Redskin is a racial slur. Some believe it is and some believe it is not. It's origin does not point to the use in a derogatory manner and there is documentation To back that up. When the Native. Americans themselves are not in agreement about it being a racial slur then I call BS on the whole thing. It is all a money grab by the Oneita Tribe and you guys will discover this when it's all said and done.

Just for the record i was posing a question. I personally am not in favor of a name change. A: because its my team. B: because its a non issue imo.
That all being said if you do some research on the name it really does have racist roots. So I am just pondering the validity of any real concerns anybody ( native am. Or not) might have about it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just for the record i was posing a question. I personally am not in favor of a name change. A: because its my team. B: because its a non issue imo.
That all being said if you do some research on the name it really does have racist roots. So I am just pondering the validity of any real concerns anybody ( native am. Or not) might have about it.

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

Exactly. You could offend an American Indian by calling them Red Devil, so should the NJ hockey team be forced to change their name? You can offend an Asian by calling them Mellow Yellow. Should the soft drink be banned? You can call an African American woman Aunt Jemima, a white guy Wonder Bread, etc. etc. Just because a word can be used in an offensive manner doesn't mean it's a racial slur in any and all contexts.

As a first generation American who's family came from Peru, I'm offended when all Hispanics are called Mexican, but I don't find the word Mexican offensive when used to describe people actually from Mexico.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

The closets reference talking about the name is a book by Dr. Bruce Stapleton
ISBN: 0-595-17167-2

[44Deezel]

"I've talked to our students, our parents and our community about this and nobody finds any offense at all in it," says Tim Ames, the superintendent of Wellpinit schools. "'Redskins' is not an insult to our kids. 'Wagon burners' is an insult. 'Prairie n-----s' is an insult. Those are very upsetting to our kids. But 'Redskins' is an honorable name we wear with pride. & In fact, I'd like to see somebody come up here and try to change it."

[scowan]

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

cheers to that

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

..........prophetic

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.

Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"

[scowan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"

Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by scowan

Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.

Im of Irish heritage who wants to start the campaign to rid Notre Dame of the Fighting Irish mascot and name? It holds a negative connotation. Im offended.

Nice post scowan.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by scowan

Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.

To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Lotus

To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.

I don't support the name change but, to add on what you're saying, an estimated 50 million to 100 million Native Americans were wiped out by the European colonization. Thanks, smallpox!

But I'd say that's a... pretty good reason to be butthurt.