Expectations for the rest of the season...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Mike's resume was a little more polished. A couple of Super Bowls buys you some benefit of the doubt.

Why does it make sense to doubt RG3 for 13 quarters worth of work in this offense, yet let Gruden off the hook for 10 games? They're both pulling failing grades at this point to me.

Because Griffin's started over 30 games now. Plus a lot of the same pass concepts that are in Shanahan's offense are in this one. Gruden can't force Griffin to hit open receivers. He either does it or he doesn't. Also this isn't Gruden's hand picked guy.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Mike's resume was a little more polished. A couple of Super Bowls buys you some benefit of the doubt.



Why does it make sense to doubt RG3 for 13 quarters worth of work in this offense, yet let Gruden off the hook for 10 games? They're both pulling failing grades at this point to me.

Honestly because We have seen Mccoy win in this offense. We have seen Cousins light it up in this offense but he is colorblind so...
Griff seems absolutely lost in this offense.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Mike's resume was a little more polished. A couple of Super Bowls buys you some benefit of the doubt.

Why does it make sense to doubt RG3 for 13 quarters worth of work in this offense, yet let Gruden off the hook for 10 games? They're both pulling failing grades at this point to me.

Can we just move the Redskins to the ACC and be done with it. I am telling you we could win that 4 team playoff.

[kct1975]

Rodney Harrison I Think You Have To Get Rid Of RG3

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[Rotten1980]

I wouldn't have faith in Gruden picking a guy. Can't forget this coach has a track record doing some very questionable things with his offense. Giving up on the running game was a big problem in Cincy, and Gruden still hasn't learned.

He came to a team that struggled at pass protection in front of a developing QB who's been through the ringer, but that same line excelled at run blocking and we have a bruiser back. I would have committed to the run to set up play action pass to these great receivers. Gruden forced a lot of mid range passes, not RG's strength to begin with, and we see a lot of lousy run plays. And Gruden clearly doesn't demand his perimeter players block.
I just don't see anything in his playbook or leadership that merits a pro HC job.

[punch it in]

Also shouldnt the polished superbowl winning coach be able to turn garbage into gold sooner than the rook? So again Shanny - the accomplished and polished super bowl winner needed five years to fix things. Gruden who inherited as big a pile of crap Shanny did is supposed to do it in ten weeks? Makes no sense.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also shouldnt the polished superbowl winning coach be able to turn garbage into gold sooner than the rook? So again Shanny - the accomplished and polished super bowl winner needed five years to fix things. Gruden who inherited as big a pile of crap Shanny did is supposed to do it in ten weeks? Makes no sense.

I hope this doesnt come as a shock but its going to take longer than 5 years to fix this mess.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

I hope this doesnt come as a shock but its going to take longer than 5 years to fix this mess.

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

NFW! I'm too old for this shit. I might die before we become winners. At this point in my life, I wouldn't give Belichick more than two years.

BTW, the established NFL HC has earned a longer contract than the rookie because he has proven he can do the job, whereas the rookie has not yet proven himself as an NFL HC. That's why so many companies have probationary periods for new hires.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

NFW! I'm too old for this shit. I might die before we become winners. At this point in my life, I wouldn't give Belichick more than two years.



BTW, the established NFL HC has earned a longer contract than the rookie because he has proven he can do the job, whereas the rookie has not yet proven himself as an NFL HC. That's why so many companies have probationary periods for new hires.

Im not saying they should have given him a five year contract. Far from it. Of course Gruden has to make his bones.
However to expect him to make a 3-13 team into something we can all be proud of in ten weeks with one draft where we didnt even have a first round pick with THREE different qb's starting in such a short time and the most horrible DC in the league(that he had nothing to do with is ludicrous!
Edit: I agree with Matty that he has not shown enough even under these circumstances but the circumstances outweigh his lack of show imo.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

I'm not saying fire him, just that so far he's not doing a good job. And fair or not if he doesn't start winning some games he's going to be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

The honeymoon is over, we need to start seeing some signs that he can get things on the right track. So far he's shown to have little command over the locker room and the team is seriously underperforming across the board.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not saying fire him, just that so far he's not doing a good job. And fair or not if he doesn't start winning some games he's going to be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

The honeymoon is over, we need to start seeing some signs that he can get things on the right track. So far he's shown to have little command over the locker room and the team is seriously underperforming across the board.

I know you arent calling for his head, and I am certainly not voting him coach of the year. Lol. This team has been a hot mess for a long time before he got here. Thats all.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not saying fire him, just that so far he's not doing a good job. And fair or not if he doesn't start winning some games he's going to be on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

The honeymoon is over, we need to start seeing some signs that he can get things on the right track. So far he's shown to have little command over the locker room and the team is seriously underperforming across the board.

What were your expectations coming into the season for them to be under performing? I could care less if he loses this locker room. It isn't his locker room and I wouldn't mind him cleaning house and bringing in his own locker room.

Most coaches don't adjust to their locker rooms. They just bring in guys they want.