Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[MTK]

Negotiations are almost always driven by deadlines. Simple as that.

[metalskins]

Other teams can't negotiate with Kirk Cousins right now, so there's really no rush. I'm sure the tires are being kicked right now in terms of contract negotiations, but you just won't hear much until the deadlines.

[NC_Skins]

Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic

I definitely understand Casserly's point. I keep going back to certain points in a quarterback's career that defines his career from that point forward. Such as John Elway and "the drive". I believe that drive is what told the rest of the NFL that John Elway was something special.

But, one thing about Redskins quarterbacks, even dating back to the glory years, the quarterbacks were never anything special. I would probably include Joe Theismann with that. While I believe he was probably the closest to being a franchise quarterback, there were quarterbacks in the league who were a heck of a lot better than him. Yet, the Redskins still won Super Bowls.

I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great.

So, having said all of that. I don't believe Kirk Cousins is going to be anywhere close to a John Elway, Joe Montana, or a Tom Brady. I don't even know if we will ever feel he can be a true franchise quarterback. But, I think with a solid team built around him and a great defense, he brings enough to the table to make a good run toward the Super Bowl. Based on that, I would sign him.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great.

The rules have changed a lot since 1991 in favor of the offensive passing game.

This puts a lot more emphasis on the QB position.

Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks - List of Winning Quarterbacks for Each Super Bowl

Look at the list, good to great QBs usually play in superbowls.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think the Joe Flacco numbers might be a bit inflated based on the Super Bowl win (and his play during the playoffs that year). If someone offered him that contract and we didn't match it, I'd still be pissed because it seems every single year someone gets some insane contract. After that, it suddenly becomes the status quo.

[FlyerSkin]

Just let the chips fall where they will. Both sides of the debate have legit points. It is a gamble either way. Kirk could get a huge contract and play mediocre or great or he can walk and play either way. Major decisions are always a gamble.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Cousins at the pro bowl talking about Matt Cavanaugh moving to OC

“I love the fact that we’re not starting over,” Cousins said. “We’ve learned a certain way of doing things for a couple of years now and with Coach Cav as the coordinator, we’ll be able to keep that rolling, as opposed to having to start all over with a brand new system and terminology and philosophy.”

Doesn't sound like hes moved on. They will get him back.

[Brody81]

From Cousins today on how having a long term deal would help him:



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[KI Skins Fan]

^ I can't think of any reason why the lack of a long-term contract would inhibit Kirk's freedom to lead. This quote doesn't make any sense to me. "Permission" ??? "Leash"??? What the heck is he talking about?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

^ I can't think of any reason why the lack of a long-term contract would inhibit Kirk's freedom to lead. This quote doesn't make any sense to me. "Permission" ??? "Leash"??? What the heck is he talking about?

I think he is talking about quite literally playing with a "leash" attached meaning - "I'm playing for my next contract / job - i have to make every throw perfect. I have to score X amount of touchdowns, I have to have X amount of passing yards every game". Once they invest in him, he will get to experience the full spectrum and have his bad game here or there (like any NFL QB), and not have to worry about being benched or not getting re-signed or anything like that.

I think knowing he is only year to year probably weighs on him, even though he is making damn great money on his one year contracts.

Look at other teams in the league that have franchise QB's, even when they play bad, they have no real sense of worry unless its something horrible like Ryan Fitzpatrick and 6 INTs a game for every game or some shit. Eli Manning has had tons of 4 INT games but i bet he has never in the back of his mind thought 'Damn i might get cut if I do it again'. I think that's where Kirk is at with that quote.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think he is talking about quite literally playing with a "leash" attached meaning - "I'm playing for my next contract / job - i have to make every throw perfect. I have to score X amount of touchdowns, I have to have X amount of passing yards every game". Once they invest in him, he will get to experience the full spectrum and have his bad game here or there (like any NFL QB), and not have to worry about being benched or not getting re-signed or anything like that.

I think knowing he is only year to year probably weighs on him, even though he is making damn great money on his one year contracts.

Look at other teams in the league that have franchise QB's, even when they play bad, they have no real sense of worry unless its something horrible like Ryan Fitzpatrick and 6 INTs a game for every game or some shit. Eli Manning has had tons of 4 INT games but i bet he has never in the back of his mind thought 'Damn i might get cut if I do it again'. I think that's where Kirk is at with that quote.

Exactly!!!! No pressure on him or extra weight on his shoulders. He can just let it rip. Hopefully this won't lead him to regress a bit. He doesn't want to always have to look into the rear view mirror and can just concentrate on winning.

[Chico23231]

SS came by and dropped this nugget today when I asked him the chances of cousins getting a long term deal:

"I give it about a 45% chance at the moment. Scot and Jay are on the same page. Think others may need a little more convincing"

I don't know how to bring the post to this thread but it belongs here...

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

SS came by and dropped this nugget today when I asked him the chances of cousins getting a long term deal:

"I give it about a 45% chance at the moment. Scot and Jay are on the same page. Think others may need a little more convincing"

I don't know how to bring the post to this thread but it belongs here...

Love that Scot and Jay want him here, who's holding back? Allen? Stick to pants and picnics please. Snyder?? Say it aint so

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Love that Scot and Jay want him here, who's holding back? Allen? Stick to pants and picnics please. Snyder?? Say it aint so

I think it's Bruce...dude is useless