Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan

[skinsfaninok]

Scot McCloughan: Jay Gruden stands out as talent evaluator - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

[GridIron26]

This is really good thing for Redskins organization - Scot has publicly announced that the divorce was mutual and he has no grudge against Redskins office. And not to mention what skinsfaninok just posted, Scot himself who is well regarded as talented scout evaluator, believes Jay has good scouting talents. Even though I think it would be better had if we keep Scot with the organization, I am not too concerned about the front office anymore..

Of course, there's still a dark cloud over the office regarding Cousins situation. If they eventually sign Cousins to long term, then this whole negative media hype about Redskins in this off season will seem ridiculous.

[MTK]

Good for Scot for taking the high road. It wouldn't have been a good look for him if he blasted the Skins, deserved or not. And just maybe things aren't as bad as they seem.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Good for Scot for taking the high road. It wouldn't have been a good look for him if he blasted the Skins, deserved or not. And just maybe things aren't as bad as they seem.

I've said it all along, Jay and Bruce have a good plan going. Scot was definitely a part of that puzzle but sometimes things don't work out.

[Schneed10]

Scot chose to focus on the professional reasons for the mutual departure. For Scot, if he was going to be the public face of the personnel side, but not actually have the final say on things like the QB, then that wouldn't work for me either. I can't stand up there and take the credit or blame if I don't get to make the most important decisions.

And for Bruce, he didn't want to cede the power. Ultimately he's team president and the buck stops with him. I'm not sure I'd want to cede that power either on important decisions like QB.

Scot left the smear campaign out of his comments. Bravo to him for that.

If Bruce is going to keep the decision making power on issues like the long term QB contract, he better be ready to take the heat if things don't work out. It sounds like he knows he needs people around him he can trust on talent evaluation. Luckily I think he has it in Campbell, Santos, and Gruden.

But for God's sakes he better be listening to them on Kirk and be ready to give him a strong offer on July 14. Because if this QB gets away, then Bruce deserves the axe from Snyder.

[Chico23231]

I think McC is a really good dude who struggles with demons...but everytime you hear this guy speak you become more of a fan. I really hope the best for this guy.

Scot McCloughan: Jay Gruden stands out as talent evaluator - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

I think it was SS who said Gruden status in the org was really rising...Scot had some good things to say about him as a talent evaluator.

[mredskins]

Scot McCloughan says Redskins' Kirk Cousins has reached his ceiling - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

Interesting comments about Kirk.

[rickmmrr]

I like McC but how can he say a QB that has only started for 2 full years has reached his ceiling?

[MTK]

If his ceiling is nearly 5000 yards and 25 TDs sign me up.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by MTK

If his ceiling is nearly 5000 yards and 25 TDs sign me up.

i agree with SM that cousins needs a stellar team around him to succeed instead of (like brady, manning, rogers, brees, etc.) being able to elevate whoever gets put around them . . . hence why paying him more than those others is a lot more difficult

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

If his ceiling is nearly 5000 yards and 25 TDs sign me up.

Yeah exactly, and here's the thing about McCloughan's comments. When you take Cousins's performance in a vacuum, I don't think he's too far off in saying he has hit his ceiling. Meaning Cousins's mobility, arm talent, mechanics, and accuracy are all pretty much maxed.

But that doesn't mean his production is maxed, and I think McCloughan would say the same.

If the Redskins get more consistent running, especially in short yardage situations, then Cousins's production should improve because he should reach the red zone more often. And if the Redskins get more out of their WRs in the red zone because of the improved size and hops at the position, that should lead to more TDs.

So Cousins could perform at his personal ceiling this year, yet put up 4900 yards and 32 TDs. It's a reminder that this is a team sport, and your production is at least partially dependent on those around you.

Rather than thinking about where his ceiling is, and what that's worth, I'd think about whether this team could win a title with him if we surround him with the right pieces. I believe it can. The defense is still a long way but I think he fits as a piece of a championship puzzle. If I were GM I'd be making a long term offer in the $22M - $23M range. Hopefully that's what they plan on doing in July.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah exactly, and here's the thing about McCloughan's comments. When you take Cousins's performance in a vacuum, I don't think he's too far off in saying he has hit his ceiling. Meaning Cousins's mobility, arm talent, mechanics, and accuracy are all pretty much maxed.

But that doesn't mean his production is maxed, and I think McCloughan would say the same.

If the Redskins get more consistent running, especially in short yardage situations, then Cousins's production should improve because he should reach the red zone more often. And if the Redskins get more out of their WRs in the red zone because of the improved size and hops at the position, that should lead to more TDs.

So Cousins could perform at his personal ceiling this year, yet put up 4900 yards and 32 TDs. It's a reminder that this is a team sport, and your production is at least partially dependent on those around you.

Rather than thinking about where his ceiling is, and what that's worth, I'd think about whether this team could win a title with him if we surround him with the right pieces. I believe it can. The defense is still a long way but I think he fits as a piece of a championship puzzle. If I were GM I'd be making a long term offer in the $22M - $23M range. Hopefully that's what they plan on doing in July.

How high would you go? I don't think he will sign for less than 24 maybe 25 would you go to 26 if that's what it took?

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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How high would you go? I don't think he will sign for less than 24 maybe 25 would you go to 26 if that's what it took?

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Well I guess I see that part of it differently. I really don't think he'll make a fuss over $25M or $23M per year, I think where he would get concerned is on the guaranteed portion. So far the Skins have been downright insulting on that side of it.

I think if you offer him 5 years $115M with $60M of it guaranteed, I think he takes it. I don't think he's out to milk the team out of every last dollar, he just wants the guarantee he deserves and that makes sense to sign a long termer instead of taking it year to year.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well I guess I see that part of it differently. I really don't think he'll make a fuss over $25M or $23M per year, I think where he would get concerned is on the guaranteed portion. So far the Skins have been downright insulting on that side of it.

I think if you offer him 5 years $115M with $60M of it guaranteed, I think he takes it. I don't think he's out to milk the team out of every last dollar, he just wants the guarantee he deserves and that makes sense to sign a long termer instead of taking it year to year.

his agent said he wants 25 per and 75 gauranteed

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well I guess I see that part of it differently. I really don't think he'll make a fuss over $25M or $23M per year, I think where he would get concerned is on the guaranteed portion. So far the Skins have been downright insulting on that side of it.

I think if you offer him 5 years $115M with $60M of it guaranteed, I think he takes it. I don't think he's out to milk the team out of every last dollar, he just wants the guarantee he deserves and that makes sense to sign a long termer instead of taking it year to year.

He is guaranteed 24M this year and barring injury and/or a complete breakdown of his game this year he is guaranteed a minimum of 29M (transition tag) next year. I think for him to sign a long term deal before July 15 the Skins would have to offer at least 75 guaranteed or basically 3 years at 24M. I also think he has very little desire to stay a Skin and would prefer to see where the free agent market would set his salary.

I think the contract KC would sign is in the range of Luck's contract. If the Skins offer a "fair" contract and he rejects it than I have no problem not paying him top 3 money for what his performance has been.

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