Pre Draft Thread 2.0

[NYCskinfan82]

Strange things have happened don't be surprised if a QB not named Jones falls to us at 19 then we have a decision to make. San Fran will probably trade Garoppolo to NE. Then only Denver is left and they should give Lock one more year.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Strange things have happened don't be surprised if a QB not named Jones falls to us at 19 then we have a decision to make. San Fran will probably trade Garoppolo to NE. Then only Denver is left and they should give Lock one more year.

I'm not sure if I agree with the bold part. I think Lock haven't done much in the last two years.

[Defensewins]

My hope is there will be a mad dash to pick QB's and WR's which hopefully drops a blue chip pick or two to us at 19.
LT and LB are our biggest needs. I think there will be one or one of each to pick from. Let the draft come to us. Don't trade pick and reach. We are set up nicely in this fairly deep draft to get a starter in round 1 and 2. Don't mess it up.

[Chico23231]

Keim said the team would be interested in a possible move up if one QB prospect started to fall. Keim also said team would move up but not as far for a particular tackle or LB if they started to fall closer to them.

My guess is they have earmarked their top LB and top Tackle...if either get out of the top 10 then they would be aggressive to move up. The big difference in my opinion is having the 2 3rd round picks this year. Less pain to give a second round pick to jump up if they love a particular player

[sdskinsfan2001]

19: R1 P19 CB Patrick Surtain Jr - Alabama
51: R2 P19 LB Zaven Collins - Tulsa
74: R3 P10 WR Amon-Ra St. Brown - USC
82: R3 P18 OT Spencer Brown - UNI
124: R4 P19 G Trey Smith - Tennessee
163: R5 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
244: R7 P16 S Tre Norwood - Oklahoma
246: R7 P18 LB Paddy Fisher - Northwestern

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

19: R1 P19 CB Patrick Surtain Jr - Alabama
51: R2 P19 LB Zaven Collins - Tulsa
74: R3 P10 WR Amon-Ra St. Brown - USC
82: R3 P18 OT Spencer Brown - UNI
124: R4 P19 G Trey Smith - Tennessee
163: R5 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
244: R7 P16 S Tre Norwood - Oklahoma
246: R7 P18 LB Paddy Fisher - Northwestern

I could live with this .... outstanding corner, and still get an impact LB in the second round. And Hunter Long in the 5th? Fantastic.

[skinsfan69]

I found it strange that both Jones and Fields had their pro days on the same day and Kyle went to see Jones. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.

Fields stock seems to be dropping. Just something about those Ohio State QB's. They just never ever seem to pan out in the NFL.

Fields best games made him look like the best player in the country. Then you hear he is the last one in and the first to leave. That would scare me. He also could not beat out Jake Fromm which would also scare me.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I predict we're getting Darrisaw.

I don't think the first pick will be a tackle. Vera-Tucker (Guard) would be a good value selection at #19 if he's there though, if they want to go O-lineman.

IMO #19 isn't a great spot for the WFT needs. OF COURSE, if a very highly rated player at a position of need is there at #19 they should take him. However, if the options available don't make sense at that point in the draft, and someone is willing to part with a couple picks to move up to #19, I hope they pull the trigger and do something like this from my PFN mock draft:

27 - Trevon Moehrig, S
51 - Walker Little, OT
58 - Pete Werner, SLB
74 - Kellen Mond, QB
82 - Cameron McGrone, MLB
124 - James Hudson, OT
163 - Tre McKitty, TE
244 - Dez Fitzpatrick, WR

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't think the first pick will be a tackle. Vera-Tucker (Guard) would be a good value selection at #19 if he's there though, if they want to go O-lineman.

IMO #19 isn't a great spot for the WFT needs. OF COURSE, if a very highly rated player at a position of need is there at #19 they should take him. However, if the options available don't make sense at that point in the draft, and someone is willing to part with a couple picks to move up to #19, I hope they pull the trigger and do something like this from my PFN mock draft:

27 - Trevon Moehrig, S
51 - Walker Little, OT
58 - Pete Werner, SLB
74 - Kellen Mond, QB
82 - Cameron McGrone, MLB
124 - James Hudson, OT
163 - Tre McKitty, TE
244 - Dez Fitzpatrick, WR

Yeah! My boy Dez Fitzpatrick sneaks in!

I like this draft too. But I think LB is a much bigger need than OT. Were there any LB options in the 2nd that made sense?

I hope we can grab Mond. Something tells me he's gonna turn into a Russell Wilson - Dak Prescott type -- a later round draftee that turns into a very good starting QB. Obviously. time will tell.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Yeah! My boy Dez Fitzpatrick sneaks in!

I like this draft too. But I think LB is a much bigger need than OT. Were there any LB options in the 2nd that made sense?

I hope we can grab Mond. Something tells me he's gonna turn into a Russell Wilson - Dak Prescott type -- a later round draftee that turns into a very good starting QB. Obviously. time will tell.

Yeah, well in my draft Z Collins, JOK, and M Parsons were gone at #19, and I thought I could move back 8 spots and still get a top tier pick. Moehrig was a no-brainer there. Then I grabbed Werner at 58, the extra pick I got from trading #19.

"Werner’s size, hand power, and athleticism should afford him a prominent three-down role in an NFL defense..." "is a fascinating fit as a 4-3 SAM backer..." "also lined up at MIKE several times, suggesting that he has positional versatility within a 4-3."

I agree LB is a bigger need than OT, but I thought I'd grab Walker Little with my first pick in the 2nd with the LB depth still on the board. He could be a steal. Probably won't play LT right away, but he and Hudson, for me, projected to be the future LT/RT combo.

I like Mond as well. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on him, Trask, or Mills really.

[Pervis_Griffith]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, well in my draft Z Collins, JOK, and M Parsons were gone at #19, and I thought I could move back 8 spots and still get a top tier pick. Moehrig was a no-brainer there. Then I grabbed Werner at 58, the extra pick I got from trading #19.

"Werner’s size, hand power, and athleticism should afford him a prominent three-down role in an NFL defense..." "is a fascinating fit as a 4-3 SAM backer..." "also lined up at MIKE several times, suggesting that he has positional versatility within a 4-3."

I agree LB is a bigger need than OT, but I thought I'd grab Walker Little with my first pick in the 2nd with the LB depth still on the board. He could be a steal. Probably won't play LT right away, but he and Hudson, for me, projected to be the future LT/RT combo.

I like Mond as well. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on him, Trask, or Mills really.

Gotcha ... it's always tough to comment on the drafts that are posted, without knowing who else is available. Werner sounds pretty good though. And has versatility, which we know RR puts a premium on.

I agree with you on Mond, and Mills. Not so much with Trask. But I'm just a guy watching football on his couch. So what do I know?

If Mayhew's statements are to be believed, and not part of a disinformation campaign, I think Mills won't be strongly considered .... Mayhew said he preferred more collegiate starts with his QB prospects. Which cuts against Mills, and Trey Lance, and Justin Fields. Mond has tons of experience, more than anyone else in the draft.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Gotcha ... it's always tough to comment on the drafts that are posted, without knowing who else is available. Werner sounds pretty good though. And has versatility, which we know RR puts a premium on.



I agree with you on Mond, and Mills. Not so much with Trask. But I'm just a guy watching football on his couch. So what do I know?



If Mayhew's statements are to be believed, and not part of a disinformation campaign, I think Mills won't be strongly considered .... Mayhew said he preferred more collegiate starts with his QB prospects. Which cuts against Mills, and Trey Lance, and Justin Fields. Mond has tons of experience, more than anyone else in the draft.

That stuff about starts in college might hold true for a while if the guy is getting thrown right into action. But with Fitz that will not be the case. Not right away. Not even close. If Fields or Lance started as many games as Mond they would crush his learned abilities. Mond started a zillion games and never really became great for an extended period. Speaks to either a low ceiling or a problem grasping the job. Either way , with a vet like Fitz here for a at least a year gimme the guy with a higher ceiling and a bigger learning curve every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[punch it in]

Closer it gets the more i want the best Tackle available. It is absolutely the most important position on your O. Without a good one your QB, WR’s all suffer because it becomes check down city. Unless Lance or Fields is somehow in the conversation. Ill pass on Jones.
If we stay put and take a Tackle at 19 than make LB the next priority. After that go bpa. Hopefully that bpa is a TE, or S.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Gotcha ... it's always tough to comment on the drafts that are posted, without knowing who else is available. Werner sounds pretty good though. And has versatility, which we know RR puts a premium on.

I agree with you on Mond, and Mills. Not so much with Trask. But I'm just a guy watching football on his couch. So what do I know?

If Mayhew's statements are to be believed, and not part of a disinformation campaign, I think Mills won't be strongly considered .... Mayhew said he preferred more collegiate starts with his QB prospects. Which cuts against Mills, and Trey Lance, and Justin Fields. Mond has tons of experience, more than anyone else in the draft.

I agree with Mayhew in that respect. It's such a gamble to take a guy with a small sample size from which to evaluate, especially at the most important position. This year it's particularly tough with COVID and all the opt-outs. But it's all disinformation this time of year. You can't believe what anyone is saying. They are all trying to disguise their intentions for the draft.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Yeah, maybe they do trade up, but I think it would be a mistake. There's too many holes to fill, and aging players in key positions - across the O-line.

That's why I'm more of a fan of trading back than trading up. There's like 12 tackles (15+ O-linemen) and 12 linebackers projected to be taken in the first two rounds, who all have the potential to be impact starters at the next level.

That being said, trading up wouldn't be a mistake if they were able to land a true franchise QB for years to come. It is such a gamble though... If they miss, the team is worse off than it was before - less picks, same holes...