Jason Taylor Released

[vallin21]

(Re) Sign Evans, Willis, Crowell, and draft Oher at 13. In the third we look for a lineman who can play C/G.

[SFREDSKIN]

Willis is visiting the Raiders today.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

(Re) Sign Evans, Willis, Crowell, and draft Oher at 13. In the third we look for a lineman who can play C/G.

So are you cutting Heyer or Jansen to make room for Willis?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Willis is talked of being a legit starter at RT. I haven't heard that said of Heyer.

Redskins Insider said many in our organization think Heyer can be an "above average" starting RT.

I havent heard anything said about Willis. He may or may not be better than Heyer. We dont know. Either way, the future RT of this team is already on the roster - his name is Chris Samuels and he can only be effective at LT one, maybe two more years. Any significant acquisition we make to improve our OT situation should be for an LT.

If Willis wants to sign here for close to the vet minimum and we decide to take the cap hit and cut Jansen now to make room for him, and draft Oher at 13, then fine - thats probably our best option if we want a really solid OT plan. Otherwise, we're giving up on Heyer way too soon.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Redskins Insider said many in our organization think Heyer can be an "above average" starting RT.

I havent heard anything said about Willis. He may or may not be better than Heyer. We dont know. Either way, the future RT of this team is already on the roster - his name is Chris Samuels and he can only be effective at LT one, maybe two more years. Any significant acquisition we make to improve our OT situation should be for an LT.

If Willis wants to sign here for close to the vet minimum and we decide to take the cap hit and cut Jansen now to make room for him, and draft Oher at 13, then fine - thats probably our best option if we want a really solid OT plan. Otherwise, we're giving up on Heyer way too soon.

First off I wouldn't believe a word of anything that goofball JLC writes. Second, Haven't we seen enough of Heyer already to know he can't be a starting RT?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

First off I wouldn't believe a word of anything that goofball JLC writes. Second, Haven't we seen enough of Heyer already to know he can't be a starting RT?

Uhhhh no. He was pushed into duty as an undrafted free agent his rookie season. Last year, he played one game at RT before going down with an injury. The rest of the year, he played at LEFT tackle when Samuels went down.

So we havent seen anything from Heyer yet. Hes entering his third year and the only thing he has shown is that he's one heck of a backup who has improved leaps and bounds every year and hes a guy. He was never, ever humiliated when playing LT. In all honesty, he did ok there, although we would never want him to start there.

All Heyer has done is get better and succeed at everything he's been asked to do. He's dirt cheap and has a ton of upside. However, in the end, we someone who can start at left takle so Samuels can move right.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Uhhhh no. He was pushed into duty as an undrafted free agent his rookie season. Last year, he played one game at RT before going down with an injury. The rest of the year, he played at LEFT tackle when Samuels went down.

So we havent seen anything from Heyer yet. Hes entering his third year and the only thing he has shown is that he's one heck of a backup who has improved leaps and bounds every year and hes a guy. He was never, ever humiliated when playing LT. In all honesty, he did ok there, although we would never want him to start there.

All Heyer has done is get better and succeed at everything he's been asked to do. He's dirt cheap and has a ton of upside. However, in the end, we someone who can start at left takle so Samuels can move right.

Bottom line is that Heyer is NOT a starting OT in the league. Willis has more experience and fits Zorn and his scheme, therefore I would easily take Willis ahead of a proven backup (Heyer). Hopefully they sign Willis so that he can get a shot at starting.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Redskins Insider said many in our organization think Heyer can be an "above average" starting RT.

I havent heard anything said about Willis. He may or may not be better than Heyer. We dont know. Either way, the future RT of this team is already on the roster - his name is Chris Samuels and he can only be effective at LT one, maybe two more years. Any significant acquisition we make to improve our OT situation should be for an LT.

If Willis wants to sign here for close to the vet minimum and we decide to take the cap hit and cut Jansen now to make room for him, and draft Oher at 13, then fine - thats probably our best option if we want a really solid OT plan. Otherwise, we're giving up on Heyer way too soon.

You left out the part where others in the org. don't agree with that thought.

Although some in the organization believe third-year tackle Stephon Heyer could be better than average as a full-time starter, others are not so sure, and the consensus is that the Redskins must attempt to find another option from outside the complex.

Next Task: Filling Team's Remaining Holes - Redskins Insider

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You left out the part where others in the org. don't agree with that thought.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to actually point this out.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You left out the part where others in the org. don't agree with that thought.

You said you hadnt heard anyone say Heyer could be a "legit starter." I was just pointing out that several people inside the organization think he can be an "above average" starter. The RI article says others disagree - but it doesnt specify whether they disagree that he can start or that he can be "above average."

Ive still yet to see any quotes from any within the Seahawks organization about what potential they see in Willis. JLC mentioned him as a possibility (Zorn connection) and all of a sudden, everyone has decided this guy is our future RT without knowing anything about the guy other than that he started a few games last year. Considering how important OTs are, you would think if Seattle really valued this guy, theyd be trying their best to work something out with him. Thus far, theyve shown no such interest. And no other teams have been reported to be looking at this guy as a starting option.

That, inofitself, is more than enough to tell me this guy may have potential, but right now, hes just Seattles version of Stephon Heyer. If we werent dragging jansens dead weight, a very good argument could be made for bringing him on board - Two young OTs with starting experience is better than one. Unfortunately, were stuck with Jansen for the time being and unless we have no intention of drafting an OT with the 13th pick in the draft, theres simply not room for Willis on our roster.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You said you hadnt heard anyone say Heyer could be a "legit starter." I was just pointing out that several people inside the organization think he can be an "above average" starter. The RI article says others disagree - but it doesnt specify whether they disagree that he can start or that he can be "above average."

Ive still yet to see any quotes from any within the Seahawks organization about what potential they see in Willis. JLC mentioned him as a possibility (Zorn connection) and all of a sudden, everyone has decided this guy is our future RT without knowing anything about the guy other than that he started a few games last year. Considering how important OTs are, you would think if Seattle really valued this guy, theyd be trying their best to work something out with him. Thus far, theyve shown no such interest. And no other teams have been reported to be looking at this guy as a starting option.

That, inofitself, is more than enough to tell me this guy may have potential, but right now, hes just Seattles version of Stephon Heyer. If we werent dragging jansens dead weight, a very good argument could be made for bringing him on board - Two young OTs with starting experience is better than one. Unfortunately, were stuck with Jansen for the time being and unless we have no intention of drafting an OT with the 13th pick in the draft, theres simply not room for Willis on our roster.

I should have been more clear, I was referring to comments from those outside the org. regarding Heyer. I heard Clayton talk highly of Willis recently, if Heyer was a FA I just doubt we would be hearing very much talk of him being seen as a starter, at least at this point in time.

Seattle already has a starter at RT so I'm guessing that's why they aren't in a rush to re-sign him especially at starter type money that he's looking for.

[firstdown]

I heard on the radio that JT's agent has talked to Miami. I guess with him still living in the area and they give him a small contract he might end up back with them.

[redsk1]

Dance with Taylor Comes to Curious End - Redskins Insider

Bingo. The Jason Taylor releasing was a unbelievably odd deal. Why sign this guy in the first place? Why not include this offseason stuff upfront so we wouldn't waste a 2nd round and a 6th round pick?

I just don't understand why more aren't irate about the latest Vinny and Danny move. Wasteful and very odd move by the Redskins FO.....again.

[Dirtbag59]

I think a lot of you are taking London Fletcher for granted. Guys gonna be 34 this season and obviously he isn't getting younger. If Willis really is a legit starting RT (and ironically in seeing the Seahawks/Cowboys game he seemed to be one of two guys that wasn't getting his ass handed to him) then that will free us up to draft Maualgua use him as an OLB and groom him for the MLB spot. I think right now the best COA (course of action) is as follows:

- Call Evans right now and work out a contract
- Sign Willis to about 3 million per year, backloaded contract of course
- Draft Maualuga
- Draft a C/G Prospect in the third round

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I think a lot of you are taking London Fletcher for granted. Guys gonna be 34 this season and obviously he isn't getting younger. If Willis really is a legit starting RT (and ironically in seeing the Seahawks/Cowboys game he seemed to be one of two guys that wasn't getting his ass handed to him) then that will free us up to draft Maualgua use him as an OLB and groom him for the MLB spot. I think right now the best COA (course of action) is as follows:

- Call Evans right now and work out a contract
- Sign Willis to about 3 million per year, backloaded contract of course
- Draft Maualuga
- Draft a C/G Prospect in the third round

Me likey... although I won't complain if we grab Oher/Smith w/ the 13th pick but I think it leaves us a little unsettled at LB even if we do bring in Crowell

... btw I rewatched video of Rey last night... holy shit man, that's all i can say, holy shit.