What has Obama done well?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Inner conflict is the catalyst for moral development. As you already understand, an argument doesn't have to reach a resolution for it to be valuable. In fact, you could argue that conflict without resolution is the most valuable discussion of all.

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

...nice. Bad apple.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

Well said. Careful though. You may be labeled "bad apple" and the stormtroopers will be knocking on your door.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

That's very lofty. No good comes from drugs & alcohol. Remember that.

[MTK]

Nice try young grasshopper but freedom of speech only applies as the mods see fit.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Nice try young grasshopper but freedom of speech only applies as the mods see fit.

Dick Tater?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Nice try young grasshopper but freedom of speech only applies as the mods see fit.

Hay, I'm down with "warning->temp ban->ban" model but to get rid of the whole forum section because of few bad apples seems too tyrannical to me.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hay, I'm down with "warning->temp ban->ban" model but to get rid of the whole forum section because of few bad apples seems too tyrannical to me.

Saden its becuase of you. LOL

[mredskins]

I have said this before but make just a poltic form, then those who want to go in there can.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I have said this before but make just a poltic form, then those who want to go in there can.

That would get my vote. We have one for other sports, we have one for Madden, we can have one for politics.

[MTK]

How about we just junk the off topic stuff completely?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about we just junk the off topic stuff completely?

Do we get a vote or have you already made up your mind?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Do we get a vote or have you already made up your mind?

This isn't a democracy.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about we just junk the off topic stuff completely?

Seriously??? I think that is a bad idea, outside of the poltical threads there is very little fighting in the off topic section plus I usually get a good laugh, good advice, or learn something new in there.