Landry is now a bust!

[GridIron26]

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses.. By just moving him to SS does not mean demoting him, it is just a changing position - there is nothing bad about that; in fact I think Landry would be more happy at that position instead of FS because now then he would get to be closer to scrimmage of line, getting into QBs' faces and disrupting running plays.. Which is opposite of task for FS..

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses.. By just moving him to SS does not mean demoting him, it is just a changing position - there is nothing bad about that; in fact I think Landry would be more happy at that position instead of FS because now then he would get to be closer to scrimmage of line, getting into QBs' faces and disrupting running plays.. Which is opposite of task for FS..

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

I agree. I would love for Moore to be able to start at FS to the coaches satisfaction. I don't see Landry going to SS as a demotion, but more of a chance for him to be a star. The whole idea of drafting him was to play him at SS with ST at FS thus giving us the best Safety tantum in the NFL. He plays FS because he's the most talented Safety we have, but if we had someone the coaches had as much confidence in to cover as large an area of the field as they feel Landry can, Landry could use his aggressiveness in a much more positive and productive way at SS. A lot of us were hoping Moore would be that guy. Maybe he still will be.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. I would love for Moore to be able to start at FS to the coaches satisfaction. I don't see Landry going to SS as a demotion, but more of a chance for him to be a star. The whole idea of drafting him was to play him at SS with ST at FS thus giving us the best Safety tantum in the NFL. He plays FS because he's the most talented Safety we have, but if we had someone the coaches had as much confidence in to cover as large an area of the field as they feel Landry can, Landry could use his aggressiveness in a much more positive and productive way at SS. A lot of us were hoping Moore would be that guy. Maybe he still will be.

Exactly my thoughts.. I don't see how by saying something like this means bashing Landry and/or Moore..

I would not oppose to the idea of signing a starter FS from free agent after this season to push Moore, put FS spot up for grabs and then Moore and the free agent FS will battle for it; few names worth mentioned would be OJ Otogew from STL Rams, Nick Collins from Packers, Antoine Betha from Colts (I have no idea whether if he's good at coverage or not), and even Ryan Clark from Steelers will be free agent after this season, as well.. There are couple of more.. Although there are possibilities that some of the names just mentioned probably would be franchised or signed to an extension contract..

If we sign Ryan Clark, it would be just to fill in the gap - he will be 29 years old.. Although by doing this would give us a chance to draft one of top safeties within few years..

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses..

I hear what you're saying and i somewhat agree; Landry is aggressive and does like to make the big hit.
But i disagree that Landry lacks the patience.
I think people are over reacting, as the usual, to a couple (recent) mistakes as indicative of his usual play.
The same mistakes that any DB makes, he got beat.
But, in my observations Landry rarely gets beat.
Can you recall Landry getting beat other times this year?

Not that it makes it okay; but he got beat playing Cover 2 which is coverage we don't use often, a coverage that has different responsibilities then Landry's normal Cover 1/3 deep middle coverage.

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

I guess it depends on which you consider the more important position.
I think most coaches consider the FS more important then SS and therefore put their best S at FS.
The only way i would start Moore as FS is if he was the best S on the team.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Just how much SS did Landry play yesterday? There is no question that he seemed more effective/menacing near the line... Just the thought of Landry shooting the gap to blitz has to give the QB the jitters.

Just a thought: I also have the sense that Landry craves more "direct involvement" on each play, as opposed to the longer distances he covers at FS often without being able to lay the wood on someone.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'd just ask people to think of it this way: how many safeties would you trade Landry for right now, today? Remember he was the 6th overall pick. I think if there are more than 10 guys you can think of he's a bust because that puts him well outside his draft status. I don't follow enough teams to name every guy I'd rather have but I easily get to 10. For example I can't think of Oakland's good safety but I've watched him a few games and would take him over Landry is a second...that's a dude that lays the would instead of flailing his body on the ground or glancing off the ball-carrier.

i'm right there with you, thats exactly how i see it, but i do think he has one more year before it's official and i hope he get's someone to get through to him, i think his main problem is the extreme lack of disciplne

[skinster]

I have a question about landry: obviously he has the raw talent to be amazing, but simply gets fooled too much. I know it is possible that he will figure things out, but how likely is it? I have only been following football for about 5-6 years now and dont feel like I have seen enough evidence to say that it is likely that even though he hasnt figured it out in his first 3 seasons, there is still hope. Can anyone give me a few examples to say otherwise (defensive back evidence please)?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I never really paid attention to it, because I forgot during the game that LL was our "starting" SS yesterday. So who played the majority of snaps at FS? Doughty and Landry both seemed to be on the field nearly every single play, so perhaps LL didnt really play SS that much.

[Pocket$ $traight]

The bottom line is that Landry is our best FS and SS. So how would getting rid of him help the team? We would trade him for what? 2nd round pick? Probably lower and then we would have to add safety to the list of needs.

How about we coach him up and let him play his natural position (SS) more often. Taylor was doing the same things in 2006 and he came back to be an All-Pro in 07.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

The bottom line is that Landry is our best FS and SS. So how would getting rid of him help the team? We would trade him for what? 2nd round pick? Probably lower and then we would have to add safety to the list of needs.

How about we coach him up and let him play his natural position (SS) more often. Taylor was doing the same things in 2006 and he came back to be an All-Pro in 07.

Everyone seems to forget ST went through his share of struggles in year 3 before finally seeming to put it all together in year 4.

Landry has too much talent and potential to be looking to trade him. Yes he has his issues in coverage, but put the guy close to the line and let him body rock and he's one of the better strong safeties around.

[diehardskin2982]

i blame Jackson the safties coach

[SolidSnake84]

Give Landry one more year. He played well yesterday...but they were using him differently.

[pg86]

Landry needs to Mature thats all

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by pg86

Landry needs to Mature thats all

even thought he go toasted a few times yesterday he wasn't the worst i have seen him and he never once (that i saw) got up and mugged the crowd and sidelines after a play maybe someone is finally getting through to him

[freddyg12]

I'm not as worried about his maturity as a player as his maturity as a person. Yesterday, he looked like he was blaming Doughty for not getting over on one of the slants to Mcfadden. He had a rep at LSU for being moody w/his teamates. His body language during games is bad, its not just the celebrating, he doesn't seem in tune w/the team.

Jerry Gray made a diplomatic comment about him to that effect last night.