John Beck Era Begins

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

Oh Lord have mercy. Children, children! No no, you've got it all wrong. Don't you see, children? You have the heart, but you don't have the soul. Nono, wait. You have the soul, but you don't have the heart. Nono, scratch that. You have the heart and the soul, but you don't have the talent.

Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Umm, elaborate please? Are you telling me there are playmakers all over this roster?

And what about the larger point that I made? That "pounding the rock" 55 times a game won't solve all our problems on offense?

You need to watch more South Park

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm not sure 'pounding the rock' regardless of the circumstances is the right strategy. We ran it well in the first half, but Carolina made some adjustments and then we fell behind.

People seem to think we have the capacity to jam the ball down the throats of our opponent and there's nothing that can stop us if Kyle would just try it. Why do people think this? They can't just run the ball 55 times a game and hope everything falls into place. These are not The Hogs, and this isn't 1982. If Kyle adopted that mentality, defenses would simply focus on in it and stuff it out. Then we'd all be bitching about how bone-headedly conservative he is. You've got to have the right mix of running and passing. I think we have that. What we lack are the playmakers.

It looks as though we only run 4 or 5 different rushing plays and mostly variations of the stretch, almost never between the tackles. I think every commentator has said the same but it should be obvious nonetheless.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think Beck did well considering circumstances...and by circumstances I mostly mean play-calling, dropped passes, some poor route running and a generally underwhelming WR corp. In the 1st half Kyle called a good deal of running plays, which was smart. It got the o-line rolling and Hightower was racking up the yards. The sporadic pass plays didn't give Beck an opportunity to get into rhythm, and since it was his first pro start since 2007 I'm sure he'll need to feel in a rhythm for awhile at least to be effective.

In the 2nd half Kyle went away from the run, which helped Beck out and showed everyone the guy is capable of managing the game and minimizing mistakes and turnovers (compared to Rex) but I think Kyle had the wrong strategy. We should have run the effing ball down their throat and controlled the clock i.e. slowed the game down. It's sort of gotten ridiculous how little opportunity Helu gets.

So yeah my impression is Beck will be good enough to win once he gets comfortable and if we start pounding the rock. I don't trust Kyle to do this. I'm wishing more than anything Mike would take over the offense at this point. It's stupid to say Kyle would have more success if we had the right personnel to fit his scheme, because we don't. We don't have a top tier WR and QB, let along one of either. Pound the rock and stop effing around.

And obviously the defense needs to show up for Beck's performance to matter at all.

Totally agree 100%. The good news is Beck has a lot of room for improvement which Grossman does not have because he's all tapped out imporvement wise. I saw a few things he could improve on like well when in the pocket and throwing the ball he needs to plant his feet so the ball won't get under thrown and almost intercepted. Another thing he could work on is making sure he and his WR are on the same page and not to throw the ball at the opponant for an interception. Oh yea, I remember one thing he did that clearly he can fix and as we all know Grossman could not and thats to not intentionally ground the ball and if he has to he should throw it at his RB's feet. I noticed he really didn't fool the defense with some of the play action roll outs, he should learn to sell that puppy better. He could stand to work on a signiture move for when he makes a TD, you know all the great QB's have one....... Newton kinda acted like he was pulling his shirt open like he was Superman. Aaron Rodgers likes to act like he's showing off his belt. Beck had nothing. and umm, oh I almost forgot..... he could probably stand to work on ball control cause it's two weeks in a row he managed to fumble it. Definitly something for him to work on.

As you said it was totally nice to see Beck play and he's definitly no Rex. That I'm glad of.

[Monkeydad]

Overall, I thought Beck did very well for his first start since 2007.

Started out a little rocky with the fumble and the one pass he through right into the LB's chest but was luckily dropped, but he settled down and moved the offense efficiently despite not having Cooley, Moss, Hightower and a couple of good offensive linemen. The main thing that was obvious is his mobility (2 rushing TDs already) and how he uses that mobility to give himself more time to throw. He makes smart throws most of the time and is very accurate. Beck is a big upgrade over Grossman and it's not even debatable. He's smarter on the field, he's more accurate, more mobile and can move the offense in a smart way, rather than the all-or-nothing way that Rex runs the team.

He'll get better every week. Remember, he's still basically a rookie, possibly could consider him a second-year player. He's had 5 starts. I'm looking forward to watching him all year. When he gets some weapons and Trent Williams back around him, we should be able to make these FGs into TDs.

[CRedskinsRule]

I like that he has made those two TDs, they both likely would have been FG attempts if it weren't for his mobility. Time will tell, and I still worry about his fumbling, but he seems to be a better fit for the offense. I hope it shows up in the W column soon.

[Monkeydad]

There's no way you can be MORE worried about Beck's fumbling than Grossman's!

With a game on the line, I'll take John over Rex every time. We've watched Rex choke over and over.

[MTK]

For a guy who went 4 years between starts, I thought Beck was ok. He seemed to get more comfortable as the game went on. Obviously though, his performance wasn't the story of the day.

The D's inability to stop anyone the last 2 weeks is a big concern.

[The Goat]

My hope for Sunday (vs the Bills) is a change in Kyle's scheme so the game isn't on Beck's shoulders. Pound the rock mercilessly both inside the tackles and around the ends until the defense tires. If we commit to the run and tell the o-line the game is on their shoulders we will control the clock and then open up passing lanes, play-action opportunities especially.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

My hope for Sunday (vs the Bills) is a change in Kyle's scheme so the game isn't on Beck's shoulders. Pound the rock mercilessly both inside the tackles and around the ends until the defense tires. If we commit to the run and tell the o-line the game is on their shoulders we will control the clock and then open up passing lanes, play-action opportunities especially.

Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken

As long as we don't toss a few pick 6s, we're golden. Statistically, they're giving up a TON of yards on both the run and the pass. They are giving up 24.5 points a game as well.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Aren't the Bills somewhat weak against the pass? Or am I mistaken

Bills look weak against run and pass, and that was before Kyle Wilson was injured. I just think anything to help ease the pressure on Beck is a good idea. Sounds like he puts a ton of pressure on himself, then to add the Kyle and Mike dynamic shit I wouldn't wanna be in his shoes.

...so yeah I still say pound the rock. Not sure who should start but it probably doesn't matter. See which RB gets in a rhythm and is having the better day and then give em the pigskin 25 times.

[over the mountain]

i guess ill post this here.

with rex not practicing (still got the "flu"?), what happens if beck gets injured. Who is our 3rd string guy? has he been reinstated on our 53 man yet? is he taking snaps with the 2nd team?

[SmootSmack]

Rex is out of the hospital and appears to be ok now. He should be the backup. Doubt Crompton gets called up. Push comes to shove Austin is the emergency QB

[diehard]

Can't help but wonder where Beck would be if he was named starter at the beginning of the season but, something is telling me that he'd be benched just like Grossman at the same point.

Prove me wrong Beck.