2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Far left? I wish.

If Obama isn't far left who is? Dennis Kucinich? Bernie Sanders?

[mlmpetert]

New Obama Fundraising Email Offers Court Time with ‘Michael Freaking Jordan’ | TheBlaze.com

Donate 3 dollars or so and youll be entered into a raffle to watch a bunch of basketball "heroes" (including Carmello Anthony) play.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

New Obama Fundraising Email Offers Court Time with ‘Michael Freaking Jordan’ | TheBlaze.com

Donate 3 dollars or so and youll be entered into a raffle to watch a bunch of basketball "heroes" (including Carmello Anthony) play.

Why is this interesting? I would think the article that's linked in the story is far more interesting with nuggets like:

Overall however Obama and the Democrats are ahead in the race for cash, having raised about $627 million to date compared with the $495 million raised by Romney and the Republicans.

Meanwhile Romney out-raised Obama by more than $35 million in June and May. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told the press on Monday that the figures were a sign that Romney's campaign was resonating with voters. More than 94 percent of all donations received last month were for $250 or less, the Romney campaign announced. Those 600,627 contributions totaled $25.7 million of the haul.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Why is this interesting? I would think the article that's linked in the story is far more interesting with nuggets like:

Thought this was interesting too.

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate

GOP could pull 7 of the 9 Toss Ups and possibly 2 of the leans Dem. GOP House/Senate, with Obama as POTUS.....4 years of gridlock (not counting 2014 midterms). Over the last 30 yrs. or so, this type of arrangement bodes well for the economy (Clinton/Reagan). Obviously not my ideal scenario (plus I'm out $100 bucks), but could happen.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Thought this was interesting too.

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate

GOP could pull 7 of the 9 Toss Ups and possibly 2 of the leans Dem. GOP House/Senate, with Obama as POTUS.....4 years of gridlock (not counting 2014 midterms). Over the last 30 yrs. or so, this type of arrangement bodes well for the economy (Clinton/Reagan). Obviously not my ideal scenario (plus I'm out $100 bucks), but could happen.

You losing $100 is a forgone conclusion, in fact, I am so confident that I am willing to bet in 12thMan's place and put another 100 in the pot.

Brown isn't winning MA and neither is McCaskill in MO. Nelson is an old dog with cat like lives, Tester is done for and Allen Macaca isn't going to win VA... ultimately Dems need 3 seats to maintain control which really doesn't mean much these days as Republicans have indiscriminately utilized the filibuster to instituting gridlock the last 3.5 years.

Bottom line, your money is going to get spent with or without a Federal Budget and you need to get these stupid Republican talking points out of your head and assume the fetal position or just grab your ankles, it will all go a lot smoother that way.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

You losing $100 is a forgone conclusion, in fact, I am so confident that I am willing to bet in 12thMan's place and put another 100 in the pot.

Brown isn't winning MA and neither is McCaskill in MO. Nelson is an old dog with cat like lives, Tester is done for and Allen Macaca isn't going to win VA... ultimately Dems need 3 seats to maintain control which really doesn't mean much these days as Republicans have indiscriminately utilized the filibuster to instituting gridlock the last 3.5 years.

Bottom line, your money is going to get spent with or without a Federal Budget and you need to get these stupid Republican talking points out of your head and assume the fetal position or just grab your ankles, it will all go a lot smoother that way.

If 12th wants to step up, he needs to put his own skin-in-the-game. If you're up for doubling down, I'm good for $ 200 total. I'll await your response.

As far as fetal positions and such, that will never happen, but I'll keep your comments in mind on Nov. 7th...after Romney has won.

[12thMan]

Again, you repeat the blatant lie that Obama raised taxes and you know full well that he's cut them; at least 18 times. Between extending the Bush tax cuts and the stimulus (36% tax cuts), you're talking massive cuts across the board. But oh no...he's distributing the wealth. Socialism!! Get outta here. It's a lie.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Again, you repeat the blatant lie that Obama raised taxes and you know full well that he's cut them; at least 18 times. Between extending the Bush tax cuts and the stimulus (36% tax cuts), you're talking massive cuts across the board. But oh no...he's distributing the wealth. Socialism!! Get outta here. It's a lie.

Please don't deny Obama's philosophy is "spread the wealth around", those are his own words. The only reason taxes haven't skyrocketed under Obama is the GOP House wins in 2010.

- 21 tax hikes in ObamaCare hitting taxpayers with over $ 675B.

- and Obama and the Dems are smart, most tax increases go into effect after 2012. Taxes | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan

- another good read for those who are concerned about what happens in 2013 and beyond....based on Obama's own budget and CBO estimates.

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Please don't deny Obama's philosophy is "spread the wealth around", those are his own words. The only reason taxes haven't skyrocketed under Obama is the GOP House wins in 2010.

- 21 tax hikes in ObamaCare hitting taxpayers with over $ 675B.

- and Obama and the Dems are smart, most tax increases go into effect after 2012. Taxes | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan

- another good read for those who are concerned about what happens in 2013 and beyond....based on Obama's own budget and CBO estimates.

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes

SS3, if that's his philosophy as you say, what policies has he enacted that support that?

Healthcare reform is spreading the wealth around?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SS3, if that's his philosophy as you say, what policies has he enacted that support that?

Healthcare reform is spreading the wealth around?

When you have the Fed implementing billions (will be over $ 1T) in taxes to cover a program that only benefits a small percentage of Americans, that is "speading the wealth around".

Here are a few of his policies:
- Consider the case of Americans who built up value in a home their entire lives and never made more than a modest annual income. They will be “rich” according to Obama in the one year they sell that home – and subject to a hefty tax hike with the new health care surtax on capital gains taking the tax above the exempt amount from 15 percent now to 23.8 percent next year.

- That hefty increase in capital gains and the even bigger, near tripling of the dividend tax from 15 percent to 43.3 will trigger a massive stock market sell-off that will wallop the retirement accounts of people of all income levels. Economist Don Luskin has estimated that allowing these provisions to expire as Obama today proposed will cause a 30 percent collapse in the stock market – bad news for every American hoping to retire or already living out of a retirement account.

- Bloomberg News recently reported: “President Barack Obama’s plan to raise tax rates for the top 2 percent of U.S. households would mean higher taxes on 53 percent of business income reported on individual returns, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.”
Such a huge tax hike on small businesses – who comprise the overwhelmingly majority of upper-income individual tax filers – will negatively impact not just business owners but every worker on the margin of being hired or laid off.

- Obama didn’t mention it Monday, but one of the “tax hikes on the rich” he has favored, and presumably would include in his plan, is to allowing the death tax to jump from its current 35 percent rate above $5 million to a confiscatory 55 percent rate on everything above $1 million -- this will put a lot of family businesses and farms out of business.


All that being said, you're OK with the Fed expanding by taking more money from individuals/private sector and putting it under gov't control? You've got WAAAYYYY more faith in the Fed (no matter who sits in the WH) than I do, or historical fact shows is prudent.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

When you have the Fed implementing billions (will be over $ 1T) in taxes to cover a program that only benefits a small percentage of Americans, that is "speading the wealth around".

Here are a few of his policies:
- Consider the case of Americans who built up value in a home their entire lives and never made more than a modest annual income. They will be “rich” according to Obama in the one year they sell that home – and subject to a hefty tax hike with the new health care surtax on capital gains taking the tax above the exempt amount from 15 percent now to 23.8 percent next year.

- That hefty increase in capital gains and the even bigger, near tripling of the dividend tax from 15 percent to 43.3 will trigger a massive stock market sell-off that will wallop the retirement accounts of people of all income levels. Economist Don Luskin has estimated that allowing these provisions to expire as Obama today proposed will cause a 30 percent collapse in the stock market – bad news for every American hoping to retire or already living out of a retirement account.

- Bloomberg News recently reported: “President Barack Obama’s plan to raise tax rates for the top 2 percent of U.S. households would mean higher taxes on 53 percent of business income reported on individual returns, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.”
Such a huge tax hike on small businesses – who comprise the overwhelmingly majority of upper-income individual tax filers – will negatively impact not just business owners but every worker on the margin of being hired or laid off.

- Obama didn’t mention it Monday, but one of the “tax hikes on the rich” he has favored, and presumably would include in his plan, is to allowing the death tax to jump from its current 35 percent rate above $5 million to a confiscatory 55 percent rate on everything above $1 million -- this will put a lot of family businesses and farms out of business.


All that being said, you're OK with the Fed expanding by taking more money from individuals/private sector and putting it under gov't control? You've got WAAAYYYY more faith in the Fed (no matter who sits in the WH) than I do, or historical fact shows is prudent.

So basically we're going to swap links. Here's my link debunking pretty much everything you just said. particularly interesting are the steps the administration has taken to help owners facing foreclosure and refinance their homes. (though they've fallen short)

Read it though. Interesting.

Fact Check: Crossroads Ad Hits Obama for ‘Broken Promises’ - ABC News

It's weird that you would blame President Obama for monetary action taken by the Fed has taken to keep the economy going.

[NC_Skins]

Study: Romney tax plan would result in cuts for rich, higher burden for others - The Washington Post






Crazy how you'll have the sheep lining up just to vote this guy in thinking he'll serve their best interest.


The biggest con job of all has been convincing the conservative poor/middle class people that giving tax breaks to the rich will somehow trickle down to them. I like to refer to these people as "inconvenienced millionaires". The conservative dream, to work hard, bust your ass so you will reach the top and bask in the wealth like they do. Biggest myth ever perpetrated in American history.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Study: Romney tax plan would result in cuts for rich, higher burden for others - The Washington Post






Crazy how you'll have the sheep lining up just to vote this guy in thinking he'll serve their best interest.


The biggest con job of all has been convincing the conservative poor/middle class people that giving tax breaks to the rich will somehow trickle down to them. I like to refer to these people as "inconvenienced millionaires". The conservative dream, to work hard, bust your ass so you will reach the top and bask in the wealth like they do. Biggest myth ever perpetrated in American history.

Crazy how sheep don't look into details of links they post. Embarrassing.

- By the way, even the Tax Policy Center admits that "we do not score Governor Romney's plan directly as certain components of his plan are not specified in sufficient detail." But no matter, the study plows ahead to analyze features of the Romney plan that aren't even in it.

- Campaign officials noted that one of the three authors, Adam Looney of Brookings, served as a senior economist on the Obama Council of Economic Advisers. The other two authors are Samuel Brown and William Gale, both of whom are affiliated with Brookings and the Tax Policy Center.

Here's an analysis of the study you cite: Review & Outlook: The Romney Hood Fairy Tale - WSJ.com

another: Flat-out lies on Romney's tax plan | WashingtonExaminer.com

Here are FACTS about Romney's proposal....not left-wing hack job crap:

Had the Tax Policy Center been more meticulous, it would have noticed the simple description of the Romney tax proposal on his website. After describing the damage that high top marginal rates do to small-business hiring, the site states that Romney's plan would:
• Make a permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
• Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends and capital gains
• Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with adjusted gross income below $200,000 on interest, dividends and capital gains
• Eliminate the death tax
• Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax
Most fifth-graders could read this plan and see that it never once calls for raising taxes on anyone. Nor does the Romney tax plan call for giving tax cuts to high-income Americans before there are tax cuts for middle- and low-income Americans, as alleged by the TPC.
In fact, low-and middle-income earners would get tax cuts that upper-income Americans will not enjoy, such as a zero tax rate on income from dividends and long-term capital gains.

[12thMan]

On second thought, let's just look at one clean chart from the Wall Street Journal. A trustworthy right leaning source.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

On second thought, let's just look at one clean chart from the Wall Street Journal. A trustworthy right leaning source.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Yes, let's look and compare Bush to Obama.

Bush, created 3M jobs. Obama lost 1.37 million jobs.