All things offseason discussion part II

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by punch it in

My buddy is in LA rite now directing an NFL photo shoot for his firm. Alfred Morris is about to take the set. I asked him for a gameworn autographed jersey but said I would settle for a napkin.

Nice!


Jimmy Graham, Saints agree to 4-year, $40M contract - NFL.com

It was a b**** for Graham, but he got a solid deal in the end.

[NC_Skins]

Brian Orakpo unlikely to reach extension with Washington Redskins by deadline - ESPN

"He's a talented player," Gruden said. "I think he can do a little better, we can ask more of him to where he could be more productive."

It seems both coaching and front office are on the same page on the fact that Orakpo simply isn't worth the type of money he's wanting. He's far from elite, but wants elite money. Not going to happen.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Brian Orakpo unlikely to reach extension with Washington Redskins by deadline - ESPN











It seems both coaching and front office are on the same page on the fact that Orakpo simply isn't worth the type of money he's wanting. He's far from elite, but wants elite money. Not going to happen.

Not this year at least.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Richardson's problem is that he has 0 vison, and played behind a NFL offensive line, problem is in the NFL everyone has a NFL defense, unlike college.

[JoeRedskin]

Someone is going to pay Orakpo a lot of money next year. He may not be elite but he is very good, and very good pass rushers get paid. A lot.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Someone is going to pay Orakpo a lot of money next year. He may not be elite but he is very good, and very good pass rushers get paid. A lot.

Let somebody else do it. Good teams don't overpay for "good" talent. They pay for elite talent and let everybody else walk.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Let somebody else do it. Good teams don't overpay for "good" talent. They pay for elite talent and let everybody else walk.

The Redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not 'elite'. That's how you end up with guys like Reed Doughty, Josh Wilson, and Rob Jackson as starters.

There's no point in letting well above average, home grown talent walk when you have nothing better(at this point in time) to replace it. Is saving some money really worth downgrading an already terrible defense?

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

The Redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not 'elite'. That's how you end up with guys like Reed Doughty, Josh Wilson, and Rob Jackson as starters.

There's no point in letting well above average, home grown talent walk when you have nothing better(at this point in time) to replace it. Is saving some money really worth downgrading an already terrible defense?

Hrm... i'm not sure how much I believe the idea that the redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not elite... over the last 10 years talent has walked for a variety of reasons, I don't recall any of them being because the team didn't think they were good enough.

I do recall it being because the player had a gripe with the fans, or the organization. Or because the player's wife had an issue with a certain mistress in the area. Or because the FO thought some top-dollar free agent that was past his prime would be a better person to pick up.

I also recall the FO having a history of completely avoiding the process of acquiring young, raw talent and developing it.

The elite teams let players that want too much money walk all the time. They also have a system in place that grooms young, raw talent players so that when a person needs to be let go because of their contract demands there is someone ready to step into place. They also have a solid roster all the way around that affords them the ability to look at any one single player and say "We can win without you." (minus QB and in a few rare cases another skill position.)

The redskins have not had that since Gibbs 1. If letting Orakpo walk is such a bad idea it's only a bad idea because Redskins have yet again failed to bring in a young player and groom them for eventually taking over the position, forcing them into having to decide between way over paying a player or running with a significantly lower-potential person. Par for the course. I'm hopping Allen's #1 priority is to change that about the team, but it's his first year in total control so it's far to early to expect that right now.

And you guys can cite the rush stats as Orakpo being held back - but he's had opportunities to make plays and more often than not he fails, for whatever reason. I'm absolutely willing to concede that he's been used wrong - we've been a square peg/round hole organization for a while now (another thing I hope Allen fixes.) But you just flat out don't see players blossom this late in their career very often, so I remain skeptical that he's going to put on the performance worth the money he is demanding.

This isn't an issue of the team not keeping 'home grown' talent. It's an issue of over paying for a guy or not, and the fact that we don't have a process in place that leaves us very many options via younger players that have been groomed.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by tshile

Hrm... i'm not sure how much I believe the idea that the redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not elite... over the last 10 years talent has walked for a variety of reasons, I don't recall any of them being because the team didn't think they were good enough.

LaRon Landry, Carlos Rogers, and Antonio Pierce. As far as I can remember, the team did not feel they were worth what they were asking for. I'm not claiming any of them are all stars, but each of them was replaced with players worse than them.

The situation with each of those guys feels eerily similar to the current situation with Orakpo. Lukewarm fan response and local media outlets downplaying his contributions. It's pretty obvious when this team is preparing the fanbase for someone to be gone.

[JoeRedskin]

I thought Marinelli was a very good line coach for the Bucs back in the day. Has done anything of not since then?

Rod Marinelli likes that Dallas Cowboys' D has much to prove - ESPN Dallas

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I thought Marinelli was a very good line coach for the Bucs back in the day. Has done anything of not since then?

Rod Marinelli likes that Dallas Cowboys' D has much to prove - ESPN Dallas

While on the subject of the Cowboys, I love how their fans are so sure their defense will be better this year than last year. Even though they lost Hatcher, Ware, and Lee, they're totally convinced that somehow Melton, Lawrence, and the supposed "improved D-line depth" will equal a better defense. Sure, sure... countering the loss of their two best pass rushers and the best player on the defense with a DT recovering from ACL surgery, a rookie 2nd round pick, and assorted scrubs equals an improved defense.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

While on the subject of the Cowboys, I love how their fans are so sure their defense will be better this year than last year. Even though they lost Hatcher, Ware, and Lee, they're totally convinced that somehow Melton, Lawrence, and the supposed "improved D-line depth" will equal a better defense. Sure, sure... countering the loss of their two best pass rushers and the best player on the defense with a DT recovering from ACL surgery, a rookie 2nd round pick, and assorted scrubs equals an improved defense.

Well remember, they were ranked dead last:

NFL Stats: by Team Category

So let them be hopeful for that 29th ranked D.

[SirLK26]

That's a reasonable goal for them.

I suppose Cowboys fans could point to better health as another reason the defense will improve, but still, if they think that defense will even be mediocre, they need to put the Kool-Aid down.

[skinsfan69]

Kind of off topic but I just read BOYS Will BE BOYS, a book about the Cowboys during the Johnson and Switzer year. I can't believe that they won 3 SB's with the amount of partying these dudes did. A great read, and Charles Haley is seriously sick in the head!

[skinsfan69]

Before we write Rak off, let's see how he does this year. While I do think this will be his last year here, things may change if he has a 15-17 sack season. If the scheme is more aggressive then maybe he reaches those numbers.