The everything Gruden thread

[SFREDSKIN]

If for some reason the Redskins were to trade RGIII, I would
Reach out to Chicago and ask for Kyle Long in return, Cutler is done there.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by mcludka

@AdamSchefter: There's a "real chance" Robert Griffin III will be Washington's starting QB before this season is over, per source.

m.twitter.com/AdamSchefter

I want him to succeed so that trade wasn't a huge waste. Gruden needs to show me something that he can tailor an offense to Griffins skills while developing his pocket skills
Gruden touted himself as a quarterback guy. I need to see it. Griffin has been terrible. Cousins has been banished. Now Colt is supposed to give me hope?
Snyder deserves some blame. But give him credit where its due: he has tried different ideas. Given his coaches anything they ask for. He does meddle. I dont know.... maybe fire everyone, gut the roster, and bring in a GM to call ALL the shots.
sorry. Ranting here..

Good read and I agree.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Yeah it appears we might be heading that way.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

You make a very good, if tragic, point.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Very true. I think this speaks to the point that being a rookie HC can be extremely tough...I would say both are trying to impose change the wrong way. Everyone in a leadership role once they chose to take on that responsibilty wants to put there stamp on the position and create a vision. This isnt anything new. Probably hasnt gone about it the best way.

But the struggles and the frustration in implementing these changes speaks more to the disfunction of the franchise. Folks, we see it time and time again with Dan Snyder and his Lackies who run the team. They seem to make it impossible to get everyone on the same page and feel the need to do stupid shit like hire coaches and retain coaches even before the HC is chosen. Its a way to keep them in control, by keeping people in "their" corner.

This is what we call a flawed management model. Built on distrust and fear of not being able to control certain things and creates multiple voices...some which shouldnt be allowed to speak at all.

This is not a HC coach problem, Redskins have a flawed organization model.

The metaphor for this model would be an image of a large amount waste, within a oversized green metallic bin, ablaze, with black smoke rising

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say this, but Gruden's first year is reminding me a lot of McDaniels first year in Denver, when he went in and drove Cutler out of town and ended up making a mess. I know it is not the same exact situation, but I think they are somewhat similar.

Cutler was already established. He was a lot more highly regarded ( at that time) around the NFL as a professional QB than RG3 is. McDaniels really didn't have a good enough reason to run off Cutler.

Right now, Gruden has legitimate reasons to move on. He's obviously no longer interested in developing a drama queen that's a project. He may have signed on for it, but things have obviously changed.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cutler was already established. He was a lot more highly regarded ( at that time) around the NFL as a professional QB than RG3 is. McDaniels really didn't have a good enough reason to run off Cutler.

Right now, Gruden has legitimate reasons to move on. He's obviously no longer interested in developing a drama queen that's a project. He may have signed on for it, but things have obviously changed.

My problem with Gruden is that it seems like he didn't even try or more like he didn't want to try to develop Griffin. I'm talking about the beginning of the year when we didn't have much drama going on and we didn't have the cloud of a losing season.

I do think that it is time for everyone to move on. But I see a lot of things in Gruden that concerns me moving forward with or without RG3.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The metaphor for this model would be an image of a large amount waste, within a oversized green metallic bin, ablaze, with black smoke rising

[Alvin Walton]

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think this is a passive agressive remark in regards to how we feel Gruden can't be judged on his first year alone.

I think it is just a stupid remark

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I think it is just a stupid remark

I don't think that we can judge the stupidity of the remark until 8 years have passed.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Right now, Gruden has legitimate reasons to move on. He's obviously no longer interested in developing a drama queen that's a project. He may have signed on for it, but things have obviously changed.

I couldn't care less if he were to leave. He could easily be replaced with someone who is a better HC. Dan Snyder would probably agree to a buyout of Gruden's contract in about one second.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My problem with Gruden is that it seems like he didn't even try or more like he didn't want to try to develop Griffin. I'm talking about the beginning of the year when we didn't have much drama going on and we didn't have the cloud of a losing season.

I do think that it is time for everyone to move on. But I see a lot of things in Gruden that concerns me moving forward with or without RG3.

It seems like that from the outside. Gruden doesn't seem like a patient guy to me. But remember, he's been up close and around him since April or May? Plus he's looked at tape from last year. He probably realizes that Griffin has a real long way to go and may never develop. He's got to do this his way, not the way Snyder wants him to do it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I couldn't care less if he were to leave. He could easily be replaced with someone who is a better HC. Dan Snyder would probably agree to a buyout of Gruden's contract in about one second.

Not sure Snyder's going to eat 20 million. Right now, Gruden has all the power. Gruden needs to improve on some things, but I like that he's doing it his way and isn't backing down to Snyder. To me, that's a good thing.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He also can't move in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers down field, or scramble left and throw, or accept blame with out throwing his team under the bus.



How easy is a guy that has all those limitations to defend?



Our defense looked great against the same type of qb with a better skill set in the 49ers game.



The measuring stick should be our defense. If we can defend it, it sucks. The Seattle game is a bit of an outlier but our d kept us in the game. If our olbs were strict on their responsibilities we would have been good that game.



Luck made the same defense in the very next week look like the worst in the league because he isn't a one trick pony who runs plays with a single read.



What about Griffin has given anybody the notion he can develop into a pocket passer?



The best running qb right now is Wilson and he has an awesome line. Seattle isn't even a top 10 offense. Does that means defenses have adjusted to the running qb? Idk. There is a strong argument though, that if Griffin matches Wilson's abilities we still aren't going to be as effective as an more traditional offense with a qb who can pick apart an offense.



The NFL has changed, it isn't 2012. A qb that can progress through reads and make changes preplay has a higher ceiling than one who doesnt.



On a tangent, Griffin doesn't have that intangible slickness to keep himself alive like Wilson.



I would love to be wrong on this.

You are not though. The NFL has changed since 2012. Kap and Wilson are also unable to do what they did than. Griff is soooooo far away from being able to adjust to the game.


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