Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Brody81]

http://m.redskins.com/news-and-event...9-c97fd1bb999b

[rocnrik]

so if the pats win 35-17 is that Cousins fault?? When is the D going to be held responsible..Giving up a ton of points puts so much pressure on the QB that even the best will struggle..if we lose sunday it won't be on Cousins shoulders.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

so if the pats win 35-17 is that Cousins fault?? When is the D going to be held responsible..Giving up a ton of points puts so much pressure on the QB that even the best will struggle..if we lose sunday it won't be on Cousins shoulders.

If he gets fooled a few times by a grand master of scheme against qbs i wont be surprised, ppl will over react and say he sucks and throws too many picks etc etc, yea well so do most qbs when they play bill bellicheck coached defenses. Thats reality.
Hope he plays well and the team is competitive and maybe pulls out an upset. On the road we have not played well sadly, so, we will see.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Meks

If he gets fooled a few times by a grand master of scheme against qbs i wont be surprised, ppl will over react and say he sucks and throws too many picks etc etc, yea well so do most qbs when they play bill bellicheck coached defenses. Thats reality.
Hope he plays well and the team is competitive and maybe pulls out an upset. On the road we have not played well sadly, so, we will see.

2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.

well, cousins seems to struggle with disguise defenses. much like revis' pick where they played mostly man all year, almost exclusively man all 1st half then on that play show man but really it was zone.

cousins, when pressured, needs to not throw a blind ball trusting what the D showed presnap will hold true post-snap.

Belichick with 10 days would scare any Qb, much less Kirk Cousins.

Plus, we are a 14 pt dog and are expected to be playing from behind by double digits all game = cousins throws more 50/50 balls than he would like = ints.

no one is saying Cousins is a top 10 or even 20 QB at this point.

i guess if and when we get behind by a few scores ... our QB should play conservative and not take chances to make a comeback?

i really really hope our run game and front D line got fixed over the bye. would be huge to get back to what we were the first 2 games.

if cousins throws more than 32 times = loss

if cousins has to throw over 40 times = epic loss w multiple picks.

[30gut]

Jay and McVay need to have their shit together, Kirk is gonna need a gameplan that takes what we saw against Tampa and expands on it. Prior to the Tampa I felt their game plans to be limited.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

well, cousins seems to struggle with disguise defenses. much like revis' pick where they played mostly man all year, almost exclusively man all 1st half then on that play show man but really it was zone.



cousins, when pressured, needs to not throw a blind ball trusting what the D showed presnap will hold true post-snap.



Belichick with 10 days would scare any Qb, much less Kirk Cousins.



Plus, we are a 14 pt dog and are expected to be playing from behind by double digits all game = cousins throws more 50/50 balls than he would like = ints.



no one is saying Cousins is a top 10 or even 20 QB at this point.



i guess if and when we get behind by a few scores ... our QB should play conservative and not take chances to make a comeback?



i really really hope our run game and front D line got fixed over the bye. would be huge to get back to what we were the first 2 games.



if cousins throws more than 32 times = loss



if cousins has to throw over 40 times = epic loss w multiple picks.

If our defense lets them score 50 points on 500 yards of offense than KC will wind up throwing more than 30 passes. I dont see us running much when we are down 30 in the second quarter. We absolutely have to contain them. Once again it is a team sport. The D feeds off the O and thr O feeds off the D.
Are we getting any players back?

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.

Did i say monster of a defense?
I think i said grand master of scheme against qbs bill bellicheck.....
Hmmmmm......
*sips kool aid*
But thats none of my business...

[Chico23231]

Nothing says "time for a QB change" more than "its ok if Cousins throws interceptions because its the Pats or Belicheck defense. "

Get the fuck out with that bullshit

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nothing says "time for a QB change" more than "its ok if Cousins throws interceptions because its the Pats or Belicheck defense. "

Get the fuck out with that bullshit

lol - dude what do you want me to do? we are a double digit dog at foxboro. while there is always a chance, the projections dont look good for us.

"time for a QB change" .... change to who? ultimately, no matter how any of us feel about cousins, there is no better alternative and barring injury he will have 9 games to prove or disprove himself.

this debate is about 9 games too early.

i tried to stay out of this cyclical thread but that post about 5-2 just riled me up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

lol - dude what do you want me to do? we are a double digit dog at foxboro. while there is always a chance, the projections dont look good for us.

"time for a QB change" .... change to who? ultimately, no matter how any of us feel about cousins, there is no better alternative and barring injury he will have 9 games to prove or disprove himself.

this debate is about 9 games too early.

i tried to stay out of this cyclical thread but that post about 5-2 just riled me up.

Seriously, can we just put this to bed already? It's KC or bust at this point.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Seriously, can we just put this to bed already? It's KC or bust at this point.

Its play well as a "team" or bust. Just sayin. There are qb's who can make everyone around them better. There are qb's who can get the job done with the rite pieces around them. There are qb's who suck no matter what. Imo KC is good enough. Unless someone in tier 1 falls into our laps we will continue to build around KC.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Its play well as a "team" or bust. Just sayin. There are qb's who can make everyone around them better. There are qb's who can get the job done with the rite pieces around them. There are qb's who suck no matter what. Imo KC is good enough. Unless someone in tier 1 falls into our laps we will continue to build around KC.

KC is a free agent at the end of the season. If he plays well it will cost $$$$$ to sign him. If not, the Redskins are back to square one.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

this debate is about 9 games too early.

Amen. Been saying it till I'm blue in the face.

You can't take any action now. It's a pointless discussion at this point.

[NoCalHail]

I am not sure what people see in Cousins that makes them think he is a QB you can "build around" Now, that doesn't mean you can't win with Cousins, but I don't see any franchise building themselves around Kirk Cousins. To me that would the equivalent of saying the Jets are building themselves around Ryan Fitzpatrick (well, besides the age factor).

Cousins has his pros and cons, but do people really see intangibles and x-factors in his game that lead them to believe he is a QB you can build around? Usually that kind of QB shows something elite very early in their career and uses seasons 1-3/4 to work out the kinks. I have yet to see something about Cousins's game that screams "franchise QB that absolutely must be locked up"

Again, I don't want to make it seem like we can't win games with him, but if Cousins is the route this team plan goes to go long-term under Scott McCloughan, then we better start seeing every draft pick in the near future being used to build a Top 5 defense with staying power.