Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny Jurgensen Jousts With Jim Zorn

I now have a big beef with Zorn:

Zorn either has no confidence in Campbell inside the 20, or his ego is too damn big as a former QB to let his own QB call the shots.

So that answer a big question: Does Campbell have the chance to audible out of a play inside the red zone? Nope...

I guess Zorn isn't heading to coach the Colts anytime soon, eh?

[GMScud]

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?

They ran 2 TE's several times last game, Fred Davis looked completely lost on the TE screen. They also used it in goaline multiple times as well, but I think it was Sellers/Cooley in there.

[DBUCHANON101]

Where are all of the deep plays,big running lanes,endzone fades and great catches that we heard about all during training camp?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?

Davis was in on a 2TE set at least 15 plays, mix was about 50/50 run/pass

[joethiesmanfan]

On the Moss fumble, what happened to face mask?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread (not reading 260 posts to find out), but where the eff is Fred Davis and these two TE plays we've been hearing about since the 2008 training camp?

Zorn is like some kind of attention to detail "Rain Man" savant and if you keep doing even the slightest little thing different than the way he wants he is incapable of trusting you enough to throw you the ball.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Zorn is like some kind of attention to detail "Rain Man" savant and if you keep doing even the slightest little thing different than the way he wants he is incapable of trusting you enough to throw you the ball.

LOL I can picture him like Dustin Hoffman:

1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left
1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left
1st and goal at the 8 - (DSmith grabs hand) (JZ freaks out)
1st and goal at the 8 - run to the left

[joethiesmanfan]

Rofl!!!!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

We agree more often than not, but I'm going with the former on this one. I think it's system. However, the truth is usually found somewhere in the middle. But if I had to put it on one or the other I would say it's Zorn. Has to be. This team moved the ball up and down the field yesterday, almost at will, until it got into the red zone. The same Redskins players that amassed those stats between the 20s marched right into the red zone. It wasn't the players that changed, it was the play calling and the tempo. That's on Jim Zorn. Besides, how would you know if you have playmakers if you don't call the right plays to even find out? Further when I look around the league, there are more mediocre and average players than great ones. So it's not about having a stud at every position.

The Cowboys took Brandon Jacobs out of the game last night, so what does Coughlin do? He kept chucking the ball to Manningham. At some point Tom Couglin said, we can't score 30 points and keep up with the Cowboys pounding the ball up the middle. So he abandoned the run relatively early and spread the ball around. They even lost one of their top receivers and top defenders, both playmakers, and still pulled it out. That's good coaching.

Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.

I agree. The Skins have some nice players but they are not the dynamic playmakers and weapons most on this board think/want them to be.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree. The Skins have some nice players but they are not the dynamic playmakers and weapons most on this board think/want them to be.

How do we know that?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do we know that?

Because Irish says they aren't. Come on Smoot, do you really need more proof than that?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Jim Zorn is blameless. He very well could be lost and clueless, but looking at it as objectively as I can, I wonder if our "playmakers" are as good as we all think they are. And I don't believe our offensive issues are limited to just the red zone. Our success between the 20's could be due to the relative health of the O-line. But if you think back to last year, as the guys up front began to get nicked up, it was no picnic between the 20's either. To assume that the offensive line will be able to maintain good health for the season is a notion that has already begun to fall apart.

Chris Cooley is a world-class tight end. No doubt about it. Though with only one TD catch last year, obviously he isn't being utilized to his best ability. The Clinton Portis debate might rage on forever, but no one can rationally argue that he's just as explosive five years ago as he is today. He gets you the tough yards; he's more of a workhorse back than a home-run threat.

Santana Moss hasn't been close to the level he was at in 2005. Defenses are better able to take him out of the game and reduce his ability to be a factor than ever before. In addition to all of that, it now looks like his head's not completely in it, with some attitude issues to boot.

Randle El is a possession guy only, and he hasn't once been able to add the extra dimension to the offense the way we, and I think the team, envisioned. Simply put, he's not a dynamic playmaker.

So that's a brief, but I think accurate rundown of our four so-called playmakers. And don't forget this: These are the same four guys who were here when Joe Gibbs was running the offense, when Al Saunders was running the offense, and now for Jim Zorn's offense. The results seem to be the same no matter who the coach is. There's not a game-breaker on our roster, and while Zorn's scheme hasn't proven it can get the best from the players on our roster, I'm not sure our best would be good enough no matter what the system is, or which coordinator is running it.

Other teams have done better with less. The problem is . . . .drum roll please . . . . Shit, I don't know?

[tryfuhl]

Pretty much everything here is spot on

Campbell does operate well out of the no huddle and when calling his plays, I think that we should trust him more, he seems to be calling them better than Zorn

would Sherman Smith stick around if Zorn got canned? I'd think about talking to Zorn and having him relinquish playcalling duties, but if you do that mid-season you might as well just fire the guy.. I know the OCs do more than just call the plays, but we've got a guy with a lot more experience that could be doing it, but Zorn called the first play and he'll call every one until he's gone

so much to be frustrated at right now

it sucks seeing all of these teams pull good plays, jump catches, big passes over the middle, blazing runs, and thinking that we must have the shortest highlight reel of big plays in the NFL