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[MTK]

League year could start long before new CBA is reached | ProFootballTalk

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

League year could start long before new CBA is reached | ProFootballTalk

This is the link to the actual Peter King article. I had posted it earlier in the free agency thread.

NFL free agency could happen sooner under one labor scenario - Peter King - SI.com

[CRedskinsRule]

Probably the best quick hits explanation of the various legal tactics both sides can use:

Gabriel A. Feldman: NFL Lockout: The Legal Issues Behind the NFL-CBA Negotiations

[FRPLG]

David Cornwell proposes a new player compensation model | ProFootballTalk

This makes the first best case for siding with the players to me. Until I read this a few times and noodled it I was a slight lean towards the owners. Now I am much more inclined to understand the logical desires of the players side. I can't find a hole in his explanation although I don't know that the solutions he presents are practical.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

David Cornwell proposes a new player compensation model | ProFootballTalk

This makes the first best case for siding with the players to me. Until I read this a few times and noodled it I was a slight lean towards the owners. Now I am much more inclined to understand the logical desires of the players side. I can't find a hole in his explanation although I don't know that the solutions he presents are practical.

His compensation model doesn't side w/the players though, it's simply a corporate model solution that he feels could benefit both parties. Not a bad idea at all, I certainly hope there are other ideas like this floated in the mtgs. What I like about this idea is it at least gives the players a means to look to the future. I'm not taking sides in saying this, but overall the players approach has always been about getting the biggest contracts possible, but at the same time that reduces pay for the avg. player.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

His compensation model doesn't side w/the players though, it's simply a corporate model solution that he feels could benefit both parties. Not a bad idea at all, I certainly hope there are other ideas like this floated in the mtgs. What I like about this idea is it at least gives the players a means to look to the future. I'm not taking sides in saying this, but overall the players approach has always been about getting the biggest contracts possible, but at the same time that reduces pay for the avg. player.

Well it also shorts them as group on what Cornwell calls investment. The 1 bil that gets scraped off the top he calls "investment" with no tangible return (or very difficult to quantify return). That's the part that is broken. The players give back that 1bil in the name of helping the game but then they have no reason to know whether the 1bil lines the owners' pockets or really does "help" keep the game going.

[CRedskinsRule]

So the NFL has given another proposal to the players. I imagine this is there "last-best" offer, and the one they intend to try to enforce if decertification happens.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So the NFL has given another proposal to the players. I imagine this is there "last-best" offer, and the one they intend to try to enforce if decertification happens.

CRedskinsRule..........Youre like me. Stressed out about this. Some other people that I know are wearing blinders. Thinking that there will never be a lockout. Its real folks. Its real and i'm f'ing pissed. D Smith is being alittle redic if you ask me. I know people say this all the time but I truly do live for Skins football. Its my life. Sad but true. Its all I talk about. I'm just hoping with get a shortened season atleast. Who knows

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

CRedskinsRule..........Youre like me. Stressed out about this. Some other people that I know are wearing blinders. Thinking that there will never be a lockout. Its real folks. Its real and i'm f'ing pissed. D Smith is being alittle redic if you ask me. I know people say this all the time but I truly do live for Skins football. Its my life. Sad but true. Its all I talk about. I'm just hoping with get a shortened season atleast. Who knows

Soul-Skins, sounds like you have more to lose than any of em!

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Soul-Skins, sounds like you have more to lose than any of em!

lol........ I just love the game.

[FRPLG]

I think the players seem far too willing to blow this up considering they have a decent shot at not gaining much. The SC in the American Needle case did acknowledge the necessity for a sports league to enact controls that foster parity and competitive balance. While they stopped short of declaring it one entity they did grant them a path to coordinate certain activities as one entity. If they decertify ans sue they have to sue over everything. It'll cost them a lot and they may gain some flexibility but not a lot.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think the players seem far too willing to blow this up considering they have a decent shot at not gaining much. The SC in the American Needle case did acknowledge the necessity for a sports league to enact controls that foster parity and competitive balance. While they stopped short of declaring it one entity they did grant them a path to coordinate certain activities as one entity. If they decertify ans sue they have to sue over everything. It'll cost them a lot and they may gain some flexibility but not a lot.

I agree. I think that the players all feel good about Doty, and pretty confident based on the false premise that they are ENTiTLED to 50% of an ongoing business venture. Maybe a judge will take current status into account but everything they have gained as of now is based on the pre-existing CBA. If they de-certify and the CBA expires, everything is subject to repeal, and subject to the decisions of the court. I think it's a fair bet that no court in the land is going to make the deal less favorable to the owners than the current CBA, but many things could easily go against the players.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think the owners are going to be pushed into a deal this time, I think they would take their chances in court.

[SOUL-SKINS]

De Smith told players during his conference call the plan is to decertify. GREAT!!!!!!!!!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

De Smith told players during his conference call the plan is to decertify. GREAT!!!!!!!!!

It is. I'm glad, that's the only way players will get anything.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by hooskins

It is. I'm glad, that's the only way players will get anything.

Well I was just hoping they would just get a deal done but guess not. Its hard to sympathize with either party. Youre millionaires. If you dont like getting paid millions to play football do something else and make 50,000 to 80,000 grand a year. After saying that I guess i'm pro NFL.