Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think Schneed made me change my mind. the huge BUT is Peyton healthy enough to play. If he comes in and is injuried, then another waste of a year not developing a QB. I think you get Manning with the steadfast intention of still drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd this year.

Also Schneed, change RG3 out with Luck, same argument? Im thinking now Luck is the much better, more prepare QB prospect and I would go with Luck over Manning. On the fence now with RG3.

Depending on what it takes to move up for Luck, I'd be willing to trade up for him. If Polian was still the GM for the Colts it'd probably would have been easier to make that deal. Now? I know it's still being discussed but the reality is that a trade to #1 is not likely.

My opinion is that the gap between Luck and the 2nd best QB in this draft (which most would say is RG3) is significantly great than that of say RG3 and Ryan Tannehill. Again, that's just my opinion. But that's one big reason why I wouldn't trade up for RG3.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Depending on what it takes to move up for Luck, I'd be willing to trade up for him. If Polian was still the GM for the Colts it'd probably would have been easier to make that deal. Now? I know it's still being discussed but the reality is that a trade to #1 is not likely.

My opinion is that the gap between Luck and the 2nd best QB in this draft (which most would say is RG3) is significantly great than that of say RG3 and Ryan Tannehill. Again, that's just my opinion. But that's one big reason why I wouldn't trade up for RG3.

I think that you and I are the only ones here who see things that way.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think that you and I are the only ones here who see things that way.

Count me in that group. I don' know much about Tannehill, but I do see a big gap between Luck and Griffin.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think Schneed made me change my mind. the huge BUT is Peyton healthy enough to play. If he comes in and is injuried, then another waste of a year not developing a QB. I think you get Manning with the steadfast intention of still drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd this year.

Also Schneed, change RG3 out with Luck, same argument? Im thinking now Luck is the much better, more prepare QB prospect and I would go with Luck over Manning. On the fence now with RG3.

Trading up for Luck, I could get behind that. I view him as much more likely to "succeed" than Griffin.

Again, to me success at the QB position, on a player taken this high in the draft, does not equal a career like Carson Palmer's. If I'm going to trade up, the only way I do it is if I genuinely feel I've got a John Elway on my hands.

[CultBrennan59]

Yeah Shneed's post was a very helpful factor in me re-updating my decision.

I would have to add a few counter points to his post.

- We don't know if Manning will ever throw like an NFL QB ever again, so that right there should give the edge to RG3.

- We don't know if Manning and Shanahan will clash heads in terms of how the offense should be run. RG3 being a well spoken rookie I know won't be telling the coaches how to run their offense.

-Manning (pretty similar to the post above) is going to change this growing continuity of the offense. He's been trained an accustomed to staying in the pocket, throwing a lot, and doing a no huddle. Not a lot of bootlegs, rollouts, more of a running based type of offense.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Yeah Shneed's post was a very helpful factor in me re-updating my decision.

I would have to add a few counter points to his post.

- We don't know if Manning will ever throw like an NFL QB ever again, so that right there should give the edge to RG3.

- We don't know if Manning and Shanahan will clash heads in terms of how the offense should be run. RG3 being a well spoken rookie I know won't be telling the coaches how to run their offense.

-Manning (pretty similar to the post above) is going to change this growing continuity of the offense. He's been trained an accustomed to staying in the pocket, throwing a lot, and doing a no huddle. Not a lot of bootlegs, rollouts, more of a running based type of offense.

I think if both of these things happen, then our entire FO needs to be fired. If Manning is not able to throw at NFL speed before he is signed, then we have morons running our team. Also if our genius coach cant make one of the best QBs in the past ten years work, then he needs to be fired.

[irish]

Even if Manning is let go by the Colts I dont see him coming to DC because I dont think he will see this a very good situation as this team has 0 playmakers. I would expect him to go somewhere with more weapons that is closer to winning now (maybe like AZ).

To answer the question though, if Manning is healthy than there is no reason to look any further. Signing Manning is risk free while giving up picks for a QB whose style just doesnt win in the NFL is loaded with risk. Manning is the pick for sure.

[SBXVII]

I think a lot of us in favour of PM have been trying to say exactly what Schneed has said throughout this thread. Me for one.

PM won't cost us anything other then money and a roster spot.
We'll still have to draft a QB.

The team can sign PM and still have all of March and April to see if his swelling in his spine goes down enough for him to get his feeling back. Draft a QB anyway and possibly two QB's and let them start learning the system. "IF" PM is not ready we start one of the Rookies. "IF" Pm is ready then we play PM and let the Rookie QBs learn while watching him. It's a no lose situation. Plus if the team decides PM is not ever going to play then hopefully there is a clause in place for PM to be cut or retire.

Then if the Rookies are not working out we still have been able to build up the team more and next year we can go all in for one of the top QB's. By then hopefully we won't need to go all in but if we do the team will have a full compliment of decent players on Offense which will make the QB's job much easier.

[SBXVII]

Funny cause I'm beginning to think the Colts possibly take RGIII instead based off of maybe what the new OC is going to want to do and what his scheme calls for. RGIII is definitely more mobile then Luck.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny cause I'm beginning to think the Colts possibly take RGIII instead based off of maybe what the new OC is going to want to do and what his scheme calls for. RGIII is definitely more mobile then Luck.

Well it's going to be interesting to see how Irsay treats Pagano, Grigson, and Arians (particularly the first two) but he's been pretty candid about wanting to "take back his team" so I don't know how much their opinions will matter at the end of the day

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's going to be interesting to see how Irsay treats Pagano, Grigson, and Arians (particularly the first two) but he's been pretty candid about wanting to "take back his team" so I don't know how much their opinions will matter at the end of the day

So you trying to say he's going to be another version of Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So you trying to say he's going to be another version of Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder?

More like Paul Allen with the Trailblazers

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny cause I'm beginning to think the Colts possibly take RGIII instead based off of maybe what the new OC is going to want to do and what his scheme calls for. RGIII is definitely more mobile then Luck.

People say that, but is that really true? The rushing stats between the two are fairly similar. RGIII ran more than Luck who is definitely more of a pocket passer, but in one year, Luck had a far higher rushing average (with a decent sample size). The very few times I watched the two, neither were very "shifty", but Luck seemed to have more of a burst.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

People say that, but is that really true? The rushing stats between the two are fairly similar. RGIII ran more than Luck who is definitely more of a pocket passer, but in one year, Luck had a far higher rushing average (with a decent sample size). The very few times I watched the two, neither were very "shifty", but Luck seemed to have more of a burst.

Probably already answered but I think you have to actually "watch" the team to determine their situation. What I mean is Luck was probably asked to sit in the pocket and deliver the ball but was flushed due to a mediocre OL and yes he would have a lot of yardage because of this. RGIII probably had a whole offense designed around him where if he doesn't see anything down field with in a few seconds he would just take off and run. As an example I'd say a young Vick vs. a young anyone else with a bad OL. lol.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Probably already answered but I think you have to actually "watch" the team to determine their situation. What I mean is Luck was probably asked to sit in the pocket and deliver the ball but was flushed due to a mediocre OL and yes he would have a lot of yardage because of this. RGIII probably had a whole offense designed around him where if he doesn't see anything down field with in a few seconds he would just take off and run. As an example I'd say a young Vick vs. a young anyone else with a bad OL. lol.

Mediocore?!? Their OLine has 2 potential first rounders this year at LT and RG in Martin and DeCastro, and supposedly their RT, C, and LG (who are experienced juniors and sophmores) are projected to go high, even as high as DeCastro and Martin.

One knock on Luck is that he was good because he had a Great OL.