2012 Redskins Free Agency (and Trades) Tracker (Chapter III)

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by los panda

was he able to wear #47 because he was gibbler's h-back or because 80-89 were not available?

I'm pretty sure TE's can wear numbers in the 40's now for basically the same reason that WR's can wear numbers in the teens - teams are running out of 80's.

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[los panda]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I'm pretty sure TE's can wear numbers in the 40's now for basically the same reason that WR's can wear numbers in the teens - teams are running out of 80's.

Uniform number (American football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there's the stipulation that 80-89 have to be unavailable in order to wear 40-49, which is what it used to be for wrs and 10-19

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by los panda

there's the stipulation that 80-89 have to be unavailable in order to wear 40-49, which is what it used to be for wrs and 10-19

Why not have anyone wear whatever number they want? Ive never understood the whole, "O Line is 50s and 60s, D Line is 70 and 90s, WR are 80's, QBs are 1-19, RB's are 20s and 30s, Secondary are 20's and whatever...........Who gives a shiit? I guess its the whole, "Its the way its always been done, so we can't change it" philosophy. I personally would love to see a fat ass guard wearing number 1, and a QB wearing 94. It would be awesome.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I'm pretty sure TE's can wear numbers in the 40's now for basically the same reason that WR's can wear numbers in the teens - teams are running out of 80's.

Uniform number (American football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Somebody put on that page that the Redskins had unofficially retired Sean Taylor's number after his death.

Fanboys want to retire his number so bad, they've taken to the web.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Somebody put on that page that the Redskins had unofficially retired Sean Taylor's number after his death.

Fanboys want to retire his number so bad, they've taken to the web.

but they have unofficially retired his number

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by los panda

was he able to wear #47 because he was gibbler's h-back or because 80-89 were not available?

More likely the # situation because he was a TE in college.

Had to look it up because I had never seen a college picture of Cooley.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

More likely the # situation because he was a TE in college.

10-19 was opened to all wrs in 2004 (before 2004 they could only wear 10-19 if 80-89 were taken). tes still go by the similar pre-2004 practice (can't wear 40-49 unless 80-89 are taken)

[JoeRedskin]

Part of it, I think, is for ease of reference for the refs for things like eligible receivers or proper alignment.

I can see a difference for OL v backs and receivers - not sure why it matters on defense. There are probably some things applicable to DL that aren't applicable to other defensive positions but I can't think of any right now.

[MTK]

I like the way it is in the NFL.

College and high school always annoyed me with the numbering.

[los panda]

fred smoot 2001-2004
deion sanders 2000
mark mcmillian 1999
terry allen 1995-1998
deral boykin??? 1994
earnest byner 1993-back into the 80s

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but it hasn't been issued since sean died, smells like unofficially retired to me

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by los panda

fred smoot 2001-2004
deion sanders 2000
mark mcmillian 1999
terry allen 1995-1998
deral boykin??? 1994
earnest byner 1993-back into the 80s

*edit
but it hasn't been issued since sean died, smells like unofficially retired to me

Smells of a tribute to me, but I'd prefer they either retire the number or pass it on to someone to wear. Maybe the Skins are waiting for the trial to end. I get the retiring of numbers but you can't retire all the numbers or the team would have no numbers to wear. I'd rather see him up in the ring of fire, maybe some other memorial inside the stadium, and an artists rendition of him on the wall at Redskins Park.

I won't get into how I don't get the pedistal thing.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by los panda

fred smoot 2001-2004
deion sanders 2000
mark mcmillian 1999
terry allen 1995-1998
deral boykin??? 1994
earnest byner 1993-back into the 80s

*edit
but it hasn't been issued since sean died, smells like unofficially retired to me

Redskins Players who wore Jersey #21:

Terry Allen
Roy Barni
Deral Boykin
Tom Brown
Earnest Byner
Jimmy Carr
Don Deeks
Gary Glick
Rob Goode
George Harold
Tim Jessie
Larry Jones
Mark McMillian
Gene Mingo
Mike Nelms
Les Olsson
Deion Sanders
Doyle Schick
Fred Smoot
Mike Sommer
Sean Taylor
Frank Walton
Bill Ward

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Redskins Players who wore Jersey #21:

Terry Allen
Roy Barni
Deral Boykin
Tom Brown
Earnest Byner
Jimmy Carr
Don Deeks
Gary Glick
Rob Goode
George Harold
Tim Jessie
Larry Jones
Mark McMillian
Gene Mingo
Mike Nelms
Les Olsson
Deion Sanders
Doyle Schick
Fred Smoot
Mike Sommer
Sean Taylor
Frank Walton
Bill Ward

did anyone wear it in 1988? i think that was the last year it was vacant since sean died.

what site is this from, or did you do your own research?

[mooby]

I think the line between unofficially retired and "no player would ask for it" has been sufficiently blurred enough that we won't see anyone wear it again. It's like NC said, no player in their right mind would ask for it, and I don't think any of the higher ups in the organization (like DS) would allow it to happen. Snyder is probably the last remnant of the organization in place from when Taylor played, but I'd think he wouldn't want to see another player wearing Taylor's number (and he has the power to make that happen.)

Call it what you want but I doubt we'll see another player wearing Taylor's number again for a long time. And imo, that's the way it should be. A lot of us got attached to Taylor, me included, (and probably DS included), and I'm one of those people who think the number has been unofficially retired. NC you probably don't care because you never knew the guy, but think about the people who worked at Redskins Park who knew Taylor, and who are still there. I doubt they'd want to see his number issued to anyone, and their opinion definitely weighs more than ours.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mooby

NC you probably don't care because you never knew the guy, but think about the people who worked at Redskins Park who knew Taylor, and who are still there. I doubt they'd want to see his number issued to anyone, and their opinion definitely weighs more than ours.

It's not that I don't care. I always hate to see a person die before their time should be up, and seeing a child lose their father. That first and foremost is the key thing here, regardless of what he did on a football field. However, it's time to move on. Taylor isn't coming back, and his death dealt us a huge blow on a emotional and talent level. I will not make him into something larger than he is. Sure there is a ton of unrealized and wasted talent that has left fans wondering what could have been. We can ask that of any player lost due to death or injury. Malcolm Kelly for instance. How good could he have been had it not been for injuries? I know it's not the same, but I'm making the point that we can "what if" everything.

Also, everybody from the coaching staff back in his time is gone if I'm correct, so there really isn't anything connecting them to Sean Taylor. If Gibbs were here still, I would say most definitely you have a point. The only people from the team still left is Santana Moss and Cooley.(anybody else I'm missing?)

Look at the Darrent Williams situation as well in Denver, somebody already has his number (Moreno). Before you say, "they aren't even close to being in the same class of player", I think you really need to stop and look at the overall numbers. Taylor had one great year in the 3-1/2 he played here, but because he had some monstrous hits, people want to equate him to something he's not. Williams was a very solid player for the Broncos, and I imagine their fans think the same thing? (not sure though) I think you'll see somebody wearing the #21 in time but probably not within the next few years. Probably not as long as fans keep hounding players about it as well.

Remember when Bruce Allen came in and moved Sean Taylor's locker out?

The Redskins Blog | Sean Taylor's Locker To Be Moved To FedExField

Remember the big stink from fans about that? This was their way of saying, it's time we move on as a franchise and as a football family.