2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

This is so true...lol

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Yes, let's look and compare Bush to Obama.

Bush, created 3M jobs. Obama lost 1.37 million jobs.

This chart uses the same formula I used to to cite private sector growth under Obama, 4.5 million jobs. In fact, if we're calculating net job growth, Bush may have ended his presidency slightly under water.

It's an indisputable fact that George W. Bush had the worse jobs creation record of any modern president. It's also a fact we were bleeding 750K jobs a month before Obama was sworn in and passed the stimulus. Mitt Romney wants to essentially go back and double down on his failed policies.

Look, we can play this game of statistics all day. President Obama will get reelected and the economy will continue it's trajectory of recovery -- with or without Republicans. Things are headed in the right direction.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This chart uses the same formula I used to to cite private sector growth under Obama, 4.5 million jobs. In fact, if we're calculating net job growth, Bush may have ended his presidency slightly under water.

It's an indisputable fact that George W. Bush had the worse jobs creation record of any modern president.

You are factually incorrect. The chart is quite simple, Jobs at End of Term vs. Jobs at Start of Term. Bush added 3M. Using the same formula, currently Obama has lost 1.37M.


This is the methodology you have been citing on the 4.5M job added - By going back 27 months, Obama starts counting at the low point of employment for the private sector in February 2010 and tracks how far it has come. But counting farther back, since the end of the recession in June 2009, private-sector job gains have been much more modest, 3.1 million. That's a more meaningful measurement to economists.
Overall, the economy has lost 1.37 million jobs — 784,000 in the private sector — since Obama was inaugurated.
Read more: FACT CHECK: Where Obama, Romney missed mark | Fox News

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This chart uses the same formula I used to to cite private sector growth under Obama, 4.5 million jobs. In fact, if we're calculating net job growth, Bush may have ended his presidency slightly under water.

It's an indisputable fact that George W. Bush had the worse jobs creation record of any modern president. It's also a fact we were bleeding 750K jobs a month before Obama was sworn in and passed the stimulus. Mitt Romney wants to essentially go back and double down on his failed policies.

Look, we can play this game of statistics all day. President Obama will get reelected and the economy will continue it's trajectory of recovery -- with or without Republicans. Things are headed in the right direction.

Obama is not running against Bush and sorry Obam is still in the red as far a net job growth not in the plus as you think. BTW how many jobs dis the stimulas create?

[NC_Skins]

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[12thMan]

Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

Indoctrination.


Crowley: Pres. Obama Is a 'Skinny Socialist' and 'Big, Fat Liar' - President Obama - Fox Nation

Obama’s New Campaign Slogan’s Historical Ties to Marxism, Socialism - Barack Obama - Fox Nation

Obama a Socialist? AP Runs 1,365-Word Fact Check - Barack Obama - Fox Nation

Obama Awards Medal of Freedom to Socialist? - Medal Of Freedom - Fox Nation

Obama's Socialist Connection - President Obama - Fox Nation

Barack Obama, Socialist?

(all this with 10 secs from google, imagine if I really researched it)


Do you now understand why Fox News target audience relates to Obama as a socialist/communist?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

It is amazing the level of intellectual deficit they often exhibit. When asked specifically what part of Romney's plan for the country they like, it's as if they are on taped infinite loop...anything is better than Obama...anything is better than Obama....anything is better than Obama How will Romney cut taxes, increase defense spending, eliminate the deficit, strengthen Medicare and Medicaid and decrease the national debt? Anything is better than Obama! How is Romney going to tackle Iran? Anything is better than Obama! How is Romney going to be different than Bush? Anything is better than Obama! lalalalalalalalala...Anything is better than Obama!



Men who lack conscience will even lie to themselves...fortunately for all of us Romney isn't going to be our next president.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

- ObamaCare isn't a socialist policy?
- U.S. ownership in GM isn't a socialist policy (read $ 23B redistribution of taxpayer dollars to a union)?
- Under ObamaCare the Department of Education took control of the student loan program thereby eliminating their partnership with banks. Before this happened banks such as Citi and Bank of America provided federal loans, private loans, what have you. Now the government provides loans and banks are no longer able to offer any type of loan to students as a result. This isn't socialist?
- FCC Net Neutrality rules aren't socialist? As stated by Robert McChesney, founder of Free Press, a group with deep ties to the Obama administration, the FCC, and the FTC, “At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control.”
He also said, "Our struggle to make the Internet into a public utility conflicts with the interests of telephone and cable firms. So it is a tough fight, but a very important one."
- Proposing budgets with 1T+ defecits and no reform to entitlements that will bankrupt the U.S. in our lifetimes, knowing the only way out of financial collapse is massive tax increase isn't socialist?
- supporting an increase in the Death Tax isn't socialist?
- The National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order giving the WH control over ALL food, water resources and transportation isn't a socialist policy? If this is so desparately needed why the F is Obama cutting defense?
Obama: Holy crap we've got a major war on the horizon with China, Iran, and Lichtenstein. I've got to issue an Executive Order that will allow me to control all natural resources (including water) in the U.S.
SECDEF Panetta: Should I prepare a budget with more funding to ramp up?
Obama: LOL, we're cutting your budget!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

- ObamaCare isn't a socialist policy?
- U.S. ownership in GM isn't a socialist policy (read $ 23B redistribution of taxpayer dollars to a union)?
- Under ObamaCare the Department of Education took control of the student loan program thereby eliminating their partnership with banks. Before this happened banks such as Citi and Bank of America provided federal loans, private loans, what have you. Now the government provides loans and banks are no longer able to offer any type of loan to students as a result. This isn't socialist?
- FCC Net Neutrality rules aren't socialist? As stated by Robert McChesney, founder of Free Press, a group with deep ties to the Obama administration, the FCC, and the FTC, “At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control.”
He also said, "Our struggle to make the Internet into a public utility conflicts with the interests of telephone and cable firms. So it is a tough fight, but a very important one."
- Proposing budgets with 1T+ defecits and no reform to entitlements that will bankrupt the U.S. in our lifetimes, knowing the only way out of financial collapse is massive tax increase isn't socialist?
- supporting an increase in the Death Tax isn't socialist?
- The National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order giving the WH control over ALL food, water resources and transportation isn't a socialist policy? If this is so desparately needed why the F is Obama cutting defense?
Obama: Holy crap we've got a major war on the horizon with China, Iran, and Lichtenstein. I've got to issue an Executive Order that will allow me to control all natural resources (including water) in the U.S.
SECDEF Panetta: Should I prepare a budget with more funding to ramp up?
Obama: LOL, we're cutting your budget!

By my definition, no it's not socialist. Is Justice John Roberts a socialist? Are Republicans that voted for Obamacare socialist? How about Romneycare, Medicare, and Social Security? Social safety net. Are these programs, too, socialism?

You seem to have it in your head because you find sharp disagreement with a policy or even President Obama's style of governing, which is fine, you go to the extreme opposite and label it socialism. That's absurd and alarmist, as far as I'm concerned. Just say you don't like it. Say it will fail. It won't work because of XYZ. Knock it off with the socialist crap. It's not. Healthcare is broken and Washington has been fukcing around for 30 years trying to fix it.

I'm curious to find out what Mr. Romney's alternative to Obamacare is since he's running away from the program he implemented in Massachusetts.

[Dirtbag59]

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[NC_Skins]

^^indeed DB.



Also, I thought this was a appropriate time for a LOL MORMONS moment.







Context:

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work published by Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] Other Latter Day Saints, or Mormons), consider Kolob to be a metaphor.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

^^indeed DB.



Also, I thought this was a appropriate time for a LOL MORMONS moment.







Context:

Honestly he can believe whatever he wants and still be President in my book so long as he keeps it separate from his policies.

Right now for example I'm gambling that Bush was more pro-life then Romney and it did nothing to overturn Roe vs Wade and I think that at his core Romney the politician is socially moderate. In fact one analyst said it best in that Romneys flip flopping is an advantage because people can imagine their own Romney which might even be the case with me.

In the end the thing thats always scary as hell with conservatives is they have the potential to take us backwards in terms of social issues. However in terms of economic policies I agree on their philosophies and historically they are more talk then action when it comes to social issues.

[12thMan]

Was just listening to Mitt Romney streaming on C*SPAN.

He said I'll repeal Obamacare, then literally five seconds later said he'll reform healthcare because "he knows a little a bit about fixing healthcare". ???? I bet the hypocrisy went completely over the audiences heads.

[12thMan]

SS33, twice in this thread you've cited independent government agencies, the Federal Reserve and the FCC, as examples of government promulgating socialist policies. I'm sure you're fully aware they both operate outside of the purview of the federal branch. Even if President Obama rolled down Pennsylvania Avenue in a red armored tank, pulled up to the doorsteps of the Fed and threatened full take over, those guys wouldn't budge one iota. That's the way it works, my man. That's one helluva leap to blame the actions of the Federal Reserve or the FCC on the President of the United States. Just doesn't work that way.

Oh..Pell Grants. With college tuition sky rocketing you're defending Citibank and the big banks that basically monopolized the student loan industry and profited off it for years?

CBO says the direct lending approach with save taxpayers $61 billion over 10 years.