Next years QB

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Throw across the field to the RB after a play action? You show me one team that has that in their playbook.

Sometimes I don't understand what fans see and it baffles me.

I know right? What's even more surprising is the thought that this is an obvious throw that Griffin 'should' make.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Throw across the field to the RB after a play action? You show me one team that has that in their playbook.

Sometimes I don't understand what fans see and it baffles me.

This and then some. He's rolling to his left, clearly a half field read on the play. He wouldn't come back to the other side unless the play breaks down and he has more time.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Throw across the field to the RB after a play action? You show me one team that has that in their playbook.

Sometimes I don't understand what fans see and it baffles me.

the first play was either:

1. screen right to RB that RG3 just went left/looked left for some reason; or
2. a decoy to have the defenders thinking screen/dump off and hope the safeties get caught staring into the backfield so RG3 can role opposite and hit D Jax long or garcon across the middle?

sadly, you cannot dismiss option 1. RG3 could have very well been confused. called the right play in the huddle but he ran the wrong play and everyone else ran the right play (called play assignment). .. or gruden got a little cute with a deceptive play.

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what is totally sad is the sack at the 30 second mark.

how could RG3 even go into the film room afterwards and have to face/explain that to his coaches and teammates. that play is mind boggling. inept on so many levels.

i would have quit football vs facing that embarrassment.

but i still believe that if RG3 can just get his head right, he could be great.

if i see RG3 back peddle when there is no pressure next year, i will kill my tv. i want a new one anyway, maybe i could be like those rednecks and shoot it up?

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the Rodgers play is diff bc:

1. protection wise, Rodgers roles to the side his coverage rolls to. RG3 did like a naked bootleg with no apparent receiver option
2. im guessing the guy leaked back to the opposite corner of the endzone was Rodgers 2nd or 3rd option. no way that guy was primary imo.
3. its effing Rodgers vs RG3.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

That play looked to be set up quite nicely but yea, I hear what you are saying.
Griffin was supposed to be our superstar, he should have found Morris.
Instead he does a deer in the headlights....
bleh

I know a lot of people like to look at a negative play (which every QB has in every game) and make it out to be referendum on a given QB, especially Griffin.

But I believe there are correct ways to look at and assess a play or game-film and there are incorrect ways to look at an assess them.

Sure, Griffin "could" have found Alfred Morris. Heck, every QB "should" make every play there is to make on the field. It is possible to fault any QB on any given negative play and say they could/should have done X, Y or Z. (especially with all-22 which imo leads to dangerous conclusions in the hands of a novice or biased viewer). But just because something looks like it could/should happen doesn't means it makes football sense in the situation or at all.

On the particular play you are talking about I don't see a 'deer in headlights' at all. And to be clear there are times that Griffin did look lost in the sauce last year. But on half-field read bootleg pass that got blitzed on the play-side I'm not going to bang on the QB for not throwing back across his body to Alfred Morris who has to be one of the least targeted and least featured receiving options on the team.

There are a bunch of plays from that game that you can much more legitimately knock Griffin for his mistakes.
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Btw- I'm curious what made you decide to post this random play/random thought?

[Alvin Walton]

The play did break down and he did have time.
Freeze the video at 10 secs.
Look how much space he has to work with.
Steve DeBerg could have found a receiver on that play.....

[Alvin Walton]

Same play.
Different QB.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Same play.
Different QB.

Then there's that.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Same play.
Different QB.

I agree. RG3 is not Aaron Rogers, the MVP from last year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

The play did break down and he did have time.
Freeze the video at 10 secs.
Look how much space he has to work with.

I can't tell if you are doing some sort of comedy/troll routine.

In the off chance you are trying to have a real dialogue.....

You shouldn't watch use 'freeze the video at' to explain how much space a player has to work with because I'm sure you realize football doesn't happen in stop motion.

The play in question is a play-action bootleg pass.

And bootlegs ypically aren't designed for the QB to throw the ball to a RB. Heck usually on a bootleg the RB isn't even in the progression. But to your point the back does get open on this play BUT the ONLY way Griffin gets to that read (3rd/4th) read is if Swearinger doesn't get a free run...meaning someone blocks or at least chips Swearinger which didn't happen; Swearinger got a free run and blew up the play.

What you should be upset about is Griffin stays with Garcon on his comeback route way too long and Garcon never gets open, never gain separation. DeSean does get open on the crossing route moving right to left and that is where Griffin should have thrown the ball. I would be 100% in agreement if you were complaining that Griffin should moved on from Garcon (his first read) because Garcon didn't 'win' and should get to DeSean who's open.

But banging on about not throwing to the RB on the backside wheel route off bootleg play-action is stretch at best. And you ALWAYS consider the personnel when discussing plays and Alfred (I love the dude, I do) isn't in anyway shape or form the type of RB that you throw that type of pass to.

[MTK]

^^ It's a total off schedule play by Rodgers, one of the best in the biz.

Nothing routine about it.

[Hog1]

Rogers coming here?
Excellent!!

[Meks]

I've seen plenty of teams run the back door RB leak/screen off of rolls to the outside... Its not exactly what happened in the Houston game but I saw teams do it plenty last year, I mean I watch a lot of plays every sunday at the bar but... I just hope he gets out of the habit of not throwing the ball away... With an improved o line so should his confidence in the pocket and less the sacks we will see... Have all the hopes for rg3 ... Can't say I'd be surprised if we see cousins one way or the other this season though..

[KI Skins Fan]

Personally, I'm done with analyzing the mistakes that RGIII made last season. I'm ready to turn the page and see what he has to offer this season.

For me, the bottom line is that RGIII, despite his flaws, is still the key to winning for this team. If he can somehow become as productive as he was in 2012, we'll become instant contenders. If not, I believe that we'll continue to struggle, regardless off any improvements we may make in other areas.

But please carry on with the discussion. It helps to pass the time until it's football season again.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Personally, I'm done with analyzing the mistakes that RGIII made last season. I'm ready to turn the page and see what he has to offer this season.

For me, the bottom line is that RGIII, despite his flaws, is still the key to winning for this team. If he can somehow become as productive as he was in 2012, we'll become instant contenders. If not, I believe that we'll continue to struggle, regardless off any improvements we may make in other areas.

But please carry on with the discussion. It helps to pass the time until it's football season again.

I agree that our QB play is the key to to us being contenders, but disagree that it has to be RGIII. Now that our team around our qb is better, it does have to be a Superman effort by our QB to win. Just play well enough to keep the chains moving and the scoreboard moving.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Personally, I'm done with analyzing the mistakes that RGIII made last season.

My problem is that I'm such a football nerve that I welcome any type of play/film based discussion. I could talk football xs and os and concepts all day everyday. I just wish there was more open and objective discussion about on the field play.

But, I hear you on ready to see what happens this year.

I'm ready to turn the page and see what he has to offer this season. For me, the bottom line is that RGIII, despite his flaws, is still the key to winning for this team. If he can somehow become as productive as he was in 2012, we'll become instant contenders. If not, I believe that we'll continue to struggle, regardless off any improvements we may make in other areas.

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree that our QB play is the key to to us being contenders, but disagree that it has to be RGIII. Now that our team around our qb is better, it does have to be a Superman effort by our QB to win. Just play well enough to keep the chains moving and the scoreboard moving.

I would agree in a vacuum that yes Robert is the key to this team going forward.

But Robert's success is tied directly with our offensive coaching staff's ability to get the most out of him. And that is something Jay and McVay couldn't do last year. And that's without getting into the all the Jay-Griffin relationship dynamic. At the end of the day the Jay's offense worked better with Colt/Kirk then with Griffin. But to be clear regardless of who played QB Jay's offense wasn't good last year.

Too much emphasis on the passing game which was the weakest unit on offense and not enough emphasis on the running game which was the best unit on the offense.

It will be interesting to see which direction the offense takes this season. Will the coaching staff follow Scott's run based influence or will Jay's pass focused WCO concepts be the focus?

The answer to that question along with how much Matt Cavanaugh can help Griffin and the other QBs will be critical to this year's success.