Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[sdskinsfan2001]

Rams are going all in. Lions got a great haul. I'd favor the Lions if only 1 choice. But Rams are now possibly the best team in the NFL going into next year. That Goff contract was an anchor.

My dad is a Rams fan, he is no expert, but he was right about Goff: His contract is way above his talent pay grade.

[SkinzWin]

Holy shit. Josina Anderson out there on Twitter spitting fire y’all!

League source gives opinion on #Lions decision to take the #Rams deal for Matthew Stafford: "The Rams were screwed with a bad contract on (Jared) Goff and the #Lions helped them and don't even get a good pick this year. The Washington offer was better."

What the hell was it?!?!?!

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Holy shit. Josina Anderson out there on Twitter spitting fire y’all!

League source gives opinion on #Lions decision to take the #Rams deal for Matthew Stafford: "The Rams were screwed with a bad contract on (Jared) Goff and the #Lions helped them and don't even get a good pick this year. The Washington offer was better."

What the hell was it?!?!?!

Probably something like two 1sts and a third (including 2021 1st). But I hope we don't find out.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team

Post off Twitter. Makes sense

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team

Post off Twitter. Makes sense

If you send 4 or 5 Ones for Watson, you expect to be good for a while so I tend to agree

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Rams havent had a 1st rd pick since 2016, but are in the playoffs every year. But some refuse to believe that Proven players > picks. Id trade my 1st rd pick for the next 5 years if it meant Deshaun Watson was coming to my team

Post off Twitter. Makes sense

did not make it in 2019.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

did not make it in 2019.

Yeah I saw that, still had a winning record in 2019

[CRedskinsRule]

Rams may be in win now mode, but they are gonna jump through hoops with their salary cap.

[CRedskinsRule]

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

22 quarterbacks were drafted in the first round between 2009 and 2016. None of the them remain on the team that drafted them. Zee. Row.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

That is C R A Z Y ! ! !

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

Which is why you take the proven stud QB over a rookie all day every day

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Which is why you take the proven stud QB over a rookie all day every day

Amen.

[SFREDSKIN]

The 49ers had offered 2 2nds and 2 3rds for Stafford.

https://heavy.com/sports/san-francis...N7CgGEin0n2RgI

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yet another crazy stat courtesy of Albert Breer:

Misleading stat.
Lets look at the best starting QBs in the NFL. This is not necessarily in ranked order:

On team that drafted them:
Mahomes
Rodgers
Mayfield
Jackson
Allen
Roethlisraper
Wilson
Mayfield
Carr
Watson
Herbert
Murray
Ryan

Another team:
Tannehill
Fitzpatrick
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Goff
Bridgewater
Cousins
Rivers

This list could be much longer, but you get the point.
Most all of the great QBs are on team that drafted them.
Only exception is Brady, who won all his SBs on team that drafted him.
Brees was 27 when signed by Saints, and they did not trade picks for him.
Neither did TB trade picks for Brady.
Virtually every elite QB in the NFL is on the team that drafted them, and won their SBs on the team that drafted them, and the only exception is Brees who no one traded 3 1st round picks for at age 3x. The reason is simple: teams don't let true franchise QB get away. In general, the golden rule is that if you can trade for a QB, he probably isn't a franchise QB.

Now let's look at every QB who won 2+ SBs in the salary cap era, assuming that is our goal. Brady, Eli Manning, Roethlisraper, Young/Aikman (right on edge of salary cap era), Elway, P. Manning is the only QB to do it 2 different teams, and Denver won it in spite of him. Mahomes will probably be on that list at some point.

1 SB winners include Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Brees, etc., all on team drafted them. There are a few guys who won on team not drafted by, Dilfer, Johnson, Foles played for other teams before coming back to Eagles. 2-3 exceptions in entire salary cap era, and most all the great dynasties won with single QB they drafted and developed.

If the goal here is to win multiple SBs, the path is clear. You draft a QB. You develop him. Mahomes sat a year. Rodgers sat several. Brady sat several. Getting a true franchise QB isn't usually an instant gratification proposition. Like anything truly worth attaining, it takes commitment in draft and in development. Teams don't let true franchise QBs go voluntarily, with Brees being the only notable exception on the list, and obviously Brady who wanted out of NE. If a QB is available for trade or in FA, he is usually by definition not a franchise QB, as no team voluntarily surrenders one. EVER. Brady and Brees are only two exceptions in quarter century plus under salary cap, with caveats mentioned.

So all the people saying trying to draft a QB is folly, you are wrong, statistically speaking. Salary cap began in 1994, EVERY team won 2+ SBs drafted and developed the QB they won with. EVERY team that won SB since 1994 did so with QB drafted and developed, with exceptions of Warner, Dilfer, Johnson. Most people would say Dilfer and Johnson SBs won in spite of them or without dominant QB play, and that was BEFORE rule changes favoring passing absurdly and limiting practice so much that continuity in a system becomes HUGE advantage. That leaves one serious outlier, Warner. 23/26 SBs won by teams that drafted and developed, 88.5%, and 100% of teams who won 2+ SBs.

But yeah, let's trade 27 1st round picks for Watson, or Stafford, or whoever. Anyone wonder why teams who made the big name trades for retread QBs aren't on this list, for 2+ SBs especially? Even assuming the QBs produced? Because they had a short windows with the older QBs but not the resources to assemble a competitive team around them because they traded all those picks away, so couldn't get over the hump. Dynasties in the NFL are built through the draft, period.

So the question is, which QB do we draft without trading up?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Misleading stat.
Lets look at the best starting QBs in the NFL. This is not necessarily in ranked order:

On team that drafted them:
Mahomes
Rodgers
Mayfield
Jackson
Allen
Roethlisraper
Wilson
Mayfield
Carr
Watson
Herbert
Murray
Ryan

Another team:
Tannehill
Fitzpatrick
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Goff
Bridgewater
Cousins
Rivers

This list could be much longer, but you get the point.
Most all of the great QBs are on team that drafted them.
Only exception is Brady, who won all his SBs on team that drafted him.
Brees was 27 when signed by Saints, and they did not trade picks for him.
Neither did TB trade picks for Brady.
Virtually every elite QB in the NFL is on the team that drafted them, and won their SBs on the team that drafted them, and the only exception is Brees who no one traded 3 1st round picks for at age 3x. The reason is simple: teams don't let true franchise QB get away. In general, the golden rule is that if you can trade for a QB, he probably isn't a franchise QB.

Now let's look at every QB who won 2+ SBs in the salary cap era, assuming that is our goal. Brady, Eli Manning, Roethlisraper, Young/Aikman (right on edge of salary cap era), Elway, P. Manning is the only QB to do it 2 different teams, and Denver won it in spite of him. Mahomes will probably be on that list at some point.

1 SB winners include Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Brees, etc., all on team drafted them. There are a few guys who won on team not drafted by, Dilfer, Johnson, Foles played for other teams before coming back to Eagles. 2-3 exceptions in entire salary cap era, and most all the great dynasties won with single QB they drafted and developed.

If the goal here is to win multiple SBs, the path is clear. You draft a QB. You develop him. Mahomes sat a year. Rodgers sat several. Brady sat several. Getting a true franchise QB isn't usually an instant gratification proposition. Like anything truly worth attaining, it takes commitment in draft and in development. Teams don't let true franchise QBs go voluntarily, with Brees being the only notable exception on the list, and obviously Brady who wanted out of NE. If a QB is available for trade or in FA, he is usually by definition not a franchise QB, as no team voluntarily surrenders one. EVER. Brady and Brees are only two exceptions in quarter century plus under salary cap, with caveats mentioned.

So all the people saying trying to draft a QB is folly, you are wrong, statistically speaking. Salary cap began in 1994, EVERY team won 2+ SBs drafted and developed the QB they won with. EVERY team that won SB since 1994 did so with QB drafted and developed, with exceptions of Warner, Dilfer, Johnson. Most people would say Dilfer and Johnson SBs won in spite of them or without dominant QB play, and that was BEFORE rule changes favoring passing absurdly and limiting practice so much that continuity in a system becomes HUGE advantage. That leaves one serious outlier, Warner. 23/26 SBs won by teams that drafted and developed, 88.5%, and 100% of teams who won 2+ SBs.

But yeah, let's trade 27 1st round picks for Watson, or Stafford, or whoever. Anyone wonder why teams who made the big name trades for retread QBs aren't on this list, for 2+ SBs especially? Even assuming the QBs produced? Because they had a short windows with the older QBs but not the resources to assemble a competitive team around them because they traded all those picks away, so couldn't get over the hump. Dynasties in the NFL are built through the draft, period.

So the question is, which QB do we draft without trading up?

Wait! Are you saying that we should draft our quarterback of the future, rather than trade for him? Are you sure?