BREAKING NEWS: Multiple Sources Confirm Jim Zorn Named Head Coach

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There's still room for an OC, QB coach, and possibly a RB coach depending on what goes down with Byner.

But thats the thing, considering Byners rapport with the RB's and his track record here there shouldn't be room for a new RB coach. It's times like this where I'm reminded of the Water Boy.

Bobby's Mother: Danny, you don't have what they call...the social skills.

[ChillWill]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There's still room for an OC, QB coach, and possibly a RB coach depending on what goes down with Byner.

I just heard on Doc Walker's show this evening that Byner has not been signed and I get the impression that some of that is due to how CP was seemingly allowed to do as he pleased during training camp. I wonder how much of that is to be placed on Coach Gibbs and how much on Byner?

I guess the RB in the WC offense plays a different role that will need a RB coach with WCO experience?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ChillWill

I just heard on Doc Walker's show this evening that Byner has not been signed and I get the impression that some of that is due to how CP was seemingly allowed to do as he pleased during training camp. I wonder how much of that is to be placed on Coach Gibbs and how much on Byner?

I guess the RB in the WC offense plays a different role that will need a RB coach with WCO experience?

Sounds like they don't care at this point who's fault it was, and if that's the reasoning behind it as you say, I really can't blame them.

[redwagonskins]

Something else intriguing from JLC: "Zorn got a five-year deal, in essence, but league sources said it is actually three years guaranteed with two club options after that."

So it is a 3 year guaranteed deal with a TEAM option for 4 and 5. With the trend of HCs not going into the last year of a contract as a lame duck and instead hitting the road or getting an extension, this makes this effectively a 2 year deal. What kind of record does Zorn have to produce in years one and two to get an extension? I figure he gets a one year reprieve but he is looking at needing a playoff appearance by year two to get an extension. Of course, he may just go into the third year with no guarantee, but like I said, that would be going against the trend.
I am curious what people think he will need to produce in terms of a win-loss record and is this even fair for a guy who is installing a whole new offense?

[EternalEnigma21]

fun and gun < wco.

I am worried about being 20M over the cap while changing offensive philosophy. I really don't know why that move was made if we were happy with the direction we were heading. If we had not committed to a wco, I wonder if we'd be introducing someone like Grimm as HC right now.

[Dirtbag59]

Jim Fassel isn't to happy:

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
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Wow, I mean I understand being pissed off at Synder but taking shots at Z-Man is cheap.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Jim Fassel isn't to happy:

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
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Wow, I mean I understand being pissed off at Synder but taking shots at Z-Man is cheap.

Link?

I've got to agree with Fassel's sentiment there. Not saying Zorn won't work out, maybe he will, but seems like Snyder has managed to alienate a good number of people with the ways he's dealt with them. He's shown a whole lot of good football people the door and allowed Cerrato to steer the ship. I don't feel to good about how the thing played out. If they now kick EB to the curb it will just continue a disturbing trend. Until proven otherwise, I am really uncomfortable with the power Cerrato is wielding around here.

• On the circumstances that led to Zorn as the choice: "Vinny kept saying after every interview, 'Zorn.' And that's how we got there."

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Jim Fassel isn't to happy:

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."

Worried about the Baltimore thing? That was more than just a thing Jim. Your best friend fired you for running the offense into the ground and being a poor play caller.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by jamf

Worried about the Baltimore thing? That was more than just a thing Jim. Your best friend fired you for running the offense into the ground and being a poor play caller.

No he was the scape goat,the O stunk becuase it was Billicks not Fassels.
Fassel is right,after the way all the coachs interviewed were treated Snyder is praying this works out becuase if it does'nt he's dead in the water.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No he was the scape goat,the O stunk becuase it was Billicks not Fassels.
Fassel is right,after the way all the coachs interviewed were treated Snyder is praying this works out becuase if it does'nt he's dead in the water.

Jim Fassel is a bad candidate. The Ravens went 13-3 that year with their offense making a complete turn around after they fired fassel, so I don't think their faltering was billick's fault. The facts support the opposite...

I've been critical of Snyder, and flat out have little to no faith in Vinny, but how the hell did he mistreat all of the people he interviewed? Because they didn't get the job they were mistreated?

If someone minded being left on the hook, they would've withdrawn their name from consideration. DS actually spent time on this decision and didn't make a huge splash, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

BTW... Fassel's sour grapes comments hopefully give people a glimpse into the sides of his character that really rub people the wrong way. He's just that kind of guy, you know....

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jamf

Worried about the Baltimore thing? That was more than just a thing Jim. Your best friend fired you for running the offense into the ground and being a poor play caller.

Oh please. Jim Fassel ran the Ravens offense into the ground?

That offense had been dead and buried for years before Fassel got there. That would be like Dennis Kucinich hiring a new campaign manager right before he dropped out and blaming failure on him.

[redwagonskins]

Fassel was just on Mike & Mike. The interesting thing he said was that he was directly involved in the hiring of Zorn and Blache. He even was speaking with Zorn after Zorn became the OC. Bizarre.

As an aside, although Fassel is saying he likes DS, I think his press blitz has a point and that is to provide a cautionary tale to other coaches who in the future would be interviewing for the Skins. He is pointing out the fact that 2nd time coaches have been very successful as of late as opposed to first time coaches. He is also pointing out that he was all but offered the job and then got jilted. Don't think for a minute that this kind of stuff isn't remembered. I am going all in with Zorn because I think if he fails, this job would be even less attractive to a future HC candidate. Plus, Whatever the motive of Fassel he is sounding kind of whiny. And of course, Zorn has the old school flat-top so we have that going for us!

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Fassel was just on Mike & Mike. The interesting thing he said was that he was directly involved in the hiring of Zorn and Blache. He even was speaking with Zorn after Zorn became the OC. Bizarre.

As an aside, although Fassel is saying he likes DS, I think his press blitz has a point and that is to provide a cautionary tale to other coaches who in the future would be interviewing for the Skins. He is pointing out the fact that 2nd time coaches have been very successful as of late as opposed to first time coaches. He is also pointing out that he was all but offered the job and then got jilted. Don't think for a minute that this kind of stuff isn't remembered. I am going all in with Zorn because I think if he fails, this job would be even less attractive to a future HC candidate. Plus, Whatever the motive of Fassel he is sounding kind of whiny. And of course, Zorn has the old school flat-top so we have that going for us!

Who cares about his opinion on this. Just because other coaches have had success in other situations doesn't mean it would work out for us. Every situation is different. And secondly,being "all but offered a job" isn't the same as being "offered" a job.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Oh please. Jim Fassel ran the Ravens offense into the ground?

That offense had been dead and buried for years before Fassel got there. That would be like Dennis Kucinich hiring a new campaign manager right before he dropped out and blaming failure on him.

I agree. B-more was Billick's mess all the way and Fassel just got caught in the middle and ended up being his scapegoat.

[Swarley]

a nice healthy serving of sour grapes anyone?