Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

....not after this move.

[skinsfaninok]

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

I have to agree with this. DM did not to him self any favors he missed Cooley on that easy TD. Throwing in the dirt and their seems to be no since of urgency.

Even though I have not agreed with Shanny on his handling of some things he made a lot of since in his press confrence today. I rather us be focusing forward and getting the evaluations started now.

On Shanny losing the looker room that will blow over as long as he really is be honest to them behind close doors. They will always respect him.

[Defensewins]

Shanahan can do whatever he wants...he is the coach.
We are wrapping up yet another frustrating season with very little positive to show on the on the field at the moment. Everyone has to share in the blame, the players, coaching staff, front office and owner.
It seems like the players are the easiest obvious target and Shanahan is leading them to slaughter with very little support or back up. What a terrible leader of men Shanahan is proving to be in 2010.
It is a real shame and lacking in class and team unity to have a respected and classy player like Mcnabb be treated like this. All of the leaks in the press! Shanhan's locker room has more leaks to the press than any I have seen. We found out about McNabb being benched last week in the press. Shanahan, your are proving to be a major pussy and spineless bitch.
Even if most of these players are not yours, you should as the HEAD COACH of the Washington Redskins and as a man stand next to your less than talented players in these difficult times. For it is in the most difficult times that men show what they are made of.....You Shanahan are proving to be a selfish, spineless weasel.
Message from Shanhan to his team, "Most of you will be gone next year and i will be here."

[DCtoAZ]

W T F .. that's all I can say ... W T ****ing F .. W T ****ing F .... why why why why why why why why

[GTripp0012]

Donovan McNabb has the worst TD% of his career and the worst INT% of his career. His completion percentage is where it's always been. The reason his QB rating is down has nothing to do with his completion percentage.

If you use completion percentage, you know exactly what you are seeing. Percentage of completions over total attempts. That's easy. If you use passer rating, you have a gross performance estimate, but you have no idea what you are actually judging a QB on.

In short, completion percentage = good, while passer rating = largely useless.

[Warren85Ellard]

Remember when the Redskins were a good football team? Ahhhhhh, those were the days. The eighties were great!

[skinsfaninok]

Donovan McNabb “very disappointed,” “I strongly disagree” | ProFootballTalk

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Donovan McNabb “very disappointed,” “I strongly disagree” | ProFootballTalk

DM is a class guy so I definitely feel bad for him.

But in the end this marriage just isn't going to work, and as MS said anything DM would do over these last 3 games wouldn't change how he feels about how he did over the first 13 so...

Might as well see if Grossman can at least be a viable 6-8 game starter next year until a rookie is ready.

I would think more people would be happy with this, since it basically forces Shanahan to "rebuild".

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

DM is a class guy so I definitely feel bad for him.

But in the end this marriage just isn't going to work, and as MS said anything DM would do over these last 3 games wouldn't change how he feels about how he did over the first 13 so...

Might as well see if Grossman can at least be a viable 6-8 game starter next year until a rookie is ready.

I would think more people would be happy with this, since it basically forces Shanahan to "rebuild".

I just dont know if Shanny really wants to "Rebuild" It will be another interesting off season in DC

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Donovan McNabb “very disappointed,” “I strongly disagree” | ProFootballTalk

Interesting snippet from that article:

Wilbon, who made no pretense of objectivity as he ripped into Shanahan, said that McNabb has no ill will toward Rex Grossman, who has replaced him as the starter. In fact, Wilbon claims that one of the things McNabb is upset about is that Shanahan waited until after Thursday’s practice to make the move, depriving Grossman of the opportunity to work with the first-string offense on Wednesday and Thursday.

Gotta agree with DM on that one. If you're gonna make the move, and you supposedly were considering it before last week's game as well, why not just insert Grossman at the start of this week's preparation for Dallas? Was DM so bad in this week of practice that he'd make this switch two days before the game without giving Grossman a full week of snaps with the first team?

Shanahan looks bad.

[GTripp0012]

The correlation between QB rating and completion percentage is well documented. The reasoning is that QBs that complete a high percentage of their passes also throw for more yards per attempt, more TDs, and (usually, though not always) fewer INTs. That's why QB rating has managed to hold mainstream for so long: because it doesn't give 100+ ratings to people who sucked. It gave 100+ ratings to guys who have dominated the defense through completions through yards and TDs.

Also, even one INT probably puts the single game QB rating under 90. Interception percentage is the least correlated with completion percentage. Which is probably the one benefit of using QB rating instead of completion percentage: completion percentage probably overrates the guys who often don't read a defense (Favre, Cutler) before going all gunslinger on us.

But completion percentage doesn't overrate those who check down without reading the defense. Those players likely don't throw for yards or points either.

I did a PFR query, and found one season in NFL history where a quarterback performed well below average, for an entire season, but his completion percentage suggested greatness. It was David Carr's one season under Gary Kubiak, in 2006. Carr was released in the offseason, and his 82.1 QB rating wasn't even the best of his career. This may be the only season in NFL history that qualifies a QB who clearly completed too many meaningless passes (Houston finished 24th in passing DVOA that season).

/rant

[GTripp0012]

I'll predict that Carolina passes on the opportunity to draft Ryan Mallett, taking instead A.J. Green first overall. Mallett gets drafted by the Bengals at no. 2.