Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[MTK]

Hard to hold too much against him for his limited playing time in Miami. He was a rookie on a flat out horrible team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hard to hold too much against him for his limited playing time in Miami. He was a rookie on a flat out horrible team.

That is true, I'm wanting to see what he's got

[skinsfaninok]

who know's maybe Beck is the next Tony Romo?

[wilsowilso]

After watching NFL highlights of Beck all I gotta say if he is the starter "Welcome to the Redskins Mr. Luck!"

[30gut]

Mike Shanahan is a very good QB developer/mentor/guru or whatever you wanna call it and he's also an egomaniac.

There is no way Mike Shanahan starts a QB he thinks is gonna fail.

And if Kyle screws it up this year I would bet dollars to donuts Mike S. will be more hands on.

Chan Gailey did it with Ryan effing Fitzpatrick, Josh McDaniels did it w/ Kyle Orton.

I believe his rep as a QB guru is on the line.

He will not fail, again.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Mike Shanahan is a very good QB developer/mentor/guru or whatever you wanna call it and he's also an egomaniac.

There is no way Mike Shanahan starts a QB he thinks is gonna fail.

And if Kyle screws it up this year I would bet dollars to donuts Mike S. will be more hands on.

Chan Gailey did it with Ryan effing Fitzpatrick, Josh McDaniels did it w/ Kyle Orton.

I believe his rep as a QB guru is on the line.

He will not fail, again.

Not sure why you call Shanahan a QB developer. None of the QBs that him or Kyle have developed have become anything overly special. I mean take away Elway, and Shanny hasn't won a damn thing with his development projects. I mean this is really borderline pathetic in how we are looking at our "savior" in terms of reality to what he actually has done with Qbs. Mike Shanahan is a decent coach, and I do think he can get us to be a contender, but he is no genius at developing QBs. Orton is a good QB, but not sure he would lead us to a SB, much less John Beck. Same thing with Cutler, above average, but nothing like a Manning or Brady.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Not sure why you call Shanahan a QB developer. None of the QBs that him or Kyle have developed have become anything overly special. I mean take away Elway, and Shanny hasn't won a damn thing with his development projects. I mean this is really borderline pathetic in how we are looking at our "savior" in terms of reality to what he actually has done with Qbs. Mike Shanahan is a decent coach, and I do think he can get us to be a contender, but he is no genius at developing QBs. Orton is a good QB, but not sure he would lead us to a SB, much less John Beck. Same thing with Cutler, above average, but nothing like a Manning or Brady.

[Bucket]

Beck looks like he has a hella quick release, and his drop is even faster. I like what I saw form Beck and if I would of seen these video's last year. I would of been calling for him to play the final 3 games.

[MTK]

Jake Plummer? Brian Griese? Heck even Cutler, all these guys played their best ball with Shanahan. That's not some coincidence.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Jake Plummer? Brian Griese? Heck even Cutler, all these guys played their best ball with Shanahan. That's not some coincidence.

How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.

Both Plummer and Griese went to an AFC CHAMP w Shanny. It's hard to win SBs my man. I do agree on Beck though, I'm worried just as much as u are

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.

I think their lack of SB's had a lot more to do with other parts of their team not being up to snuff. Sure none of those QB's were all world but you can't deny what they did under Shanahan.

[GusFrerotte]

I guess the gist of the above post is we need to quit drinking the cool aid with our coaches. We have an above average staff, that is capable, but to say they are gurus, etc is going totally overboard. Post Elway, the Broncos were classic underachievers with all that offensive firepower they had, in the weakest divion in the NFl to boot. Orton and Cutler were from big time college programs and were expected to be NFL caliber QBs. Shanny really didn't do all that much since they had the talent already. Now if he at some point mentored Brady, Manning, or even Big Ben, you could be onto something, but any post Elway QB MS "developed" has been just above average, where is just where they would be if somone else "developed" them.

[MTK]

Elway also played some of his best ball with Shanahan. Sure Shanny didn't win SB's without Elway, but vice versa is also true.

And you can't just explain away Plummer and Griese as having stacked teams. That just wasn't the case.

[gafinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Elway also played some of his best ball with Shanahan. Sure Shanny didn't win SB's without Elway, but vice versa is also true.

Elway wins 2 SB's under Shanny and none before says something right there as well as the Steve Young connection.

As for looking at some John Beck footage you might want to look at this too. Johnny's last full game, the 4th preseason game against Atlanta, sure it was preseason but his first drive was against the Atlanta starters while he was using both starters and second stringers. I will let the Video speak for itself.

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