The Offense Was Too Conservative

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

They were being coached the same way. I totally agree. But, as I said earlier, when your best run-blocking guard AND you star tailback are either out or totally banged-up, I think the game-plan should change.

It's been that way for weeks though.

We are what we are, a smashmouth football team.

If Brunell is dropping back 30-40 times, that's simply not our kind of game and doesn't play to our strengths.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Again, I would like to state for the record that Gibbs has done an outstanding job with the team. I would also like to remind people that I was saying that we were a good team when we were losing (so please don't peg me as a hater). I would also like to re-state that our playcalling might have been fine two weeks ago, but when you lose your best run-blocking guard and star tailback, you should re-focus your offense.

[cpayne5]

Hail to the Redskins, Ramseyfan, hail to the Redskins. 11-7, good season. I am happy w/ the season and am gonna end my part of this thread here.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's been that way for weeks though.

We are what we are, a smashmouth football team.

If Brunell is dropping back 30-40 times, that's simply not our kind of game and doesn't play to our strengths.

If I recall correctly (and I may not be), Portis wasn't seriously banged up until last week. I agree that Brunell dropping back 30-40 times usually doesn't play to our strengths, but when our running game was as bad as it was at the half (Portis averaged 2 ypc), it was time to re-focus.

I think we did re-focus in the 4th quarter. But, our 3rd quarter playcalling didn't reflect what Gibbs is so good at ... adapting.

[AnonEmouse]

I agree that we were a bit conservative in the first half. If we'd thrown the ball more...

However, if the OL had been fully fit, if we had a legitimate #2 receiver to pull ofthe double teaming, if we had a fully fit and effective DL, if we had a fully fit secondary, if we had someone who could kickoff into the endzone, if we could pin opponents deep with punts, if we didn't miss crucial FG's... if all that had been true, we'd have won the SB this year.

Fact is if's won't get us anywhere. If we'd thrown the ball more in the first half, maybe we'd have covered the spread, but basically the if's caught up with us today and we just never REALLY looked like winning. Just about everyone said we'd run out of steam and had to play on emotion alone. Sooner or later it catches up with you. To be honest, even if we'd won this one, we'd almost certainly have lost the next one. We are out of energy. Those guys, including the coaches, left everything on the field and I salute them.

I won't have a bad word said about JG, especially on the play calling. Next season with a good offseason program and maybe some fresh linemen on both sides, we are going to be strong. What JG has done in 2 years is amazing to me, especially considering the mess that Turner and Spurrier left us in after so many great years under Gibbs' first reign.

Go Joe, Go Skins and Go Ramseyfan and get drunk. Skins played a great season and gave us more than we expected. Enjoy the memories and look forward to more of the same.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Perhaps I should have waited another day or two to post this thread. I didn't intend to come off as a hater and I should have realized that its timing was poor.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

So we should never talk about the team? What is the point of a discussion forum if the site exists just to re-hash what the coach says and say HTTR?

You can talk about the team, just don't say something someone else doesn't want to hear, that's all.

Put on your cheerleader outfit and grab your pom pom's and tell everyone how great we were today. That should make a lot of people happy.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Perhaps I should have waited another day or two to post this thread. I didn't intend to come off as a hater and I should have realized that its timing was poor.

An honest opinion is rarely poorly timed, just poorly received.

Like I said, get drunk enjoys the rest of the playoffs (especially when Seattle get beat next week) and look forward to next season.

[FRPLG]

I think our offense improved this year. If they can improve by the same margin again next year we are a 12 win team if healthy. I think we should be proud that our team was in position to win this game most of the way and put forth a great effort. This was a true Gibbs team and I think we'll see something even better next year.

[TAYLOR21]

To me we need another WR because moss cant do it all by him self, because it looked as if we had one WR today because taylor jacobs sucks.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Look, I don't want to start an argument. I will keep my posts civil.

I'm not pouting. I started a thread about the conservative nature of our offense. I also have posted in other threads what a fantastic job Gibbs has done with this team. Anyone who has read my posts over the past few weeks knows that I have given the coaching staff a lot of credit.

That said, I'm not going to say everything is perfect, because it is not.

I didn't say everything was perfect either. I just happened to agree with Davey's post, then you jumped on me. If you don't want to start an argument, don't start it.

[LRT]

The basic problem is that without a legitimate second receiver (not to mention a third - or would that be greedy?) and with a big gap in the O-line, there just wasn't much of a "plan B" for us to fall back on. Gibbs did take quite a few risks in this game - going for it on fourth down several times, throwing deep on 4th and 2, etc. You could say that these were "too little, too late," but would they really have yielded better results if we had employed them sooner? Probably not, when you look at what they actually yielded when we used them.

What we need, now that the off season is here, is to work on getting at least two more legitimate receivers and a couple of solid back-up linemen. That will do more for this offense than anything else.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I didn't say everything was perfect either. I just happened to agree with Davey's post, then you jumped on me. If you don't want to start an argument, don't start it.

I didn't mean to "jump on you." If you felt that I did, I apologize. I probably did not accurately convey my tone in my post.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TAYLOR21

To me we need another WR because moss cant do it all by him self, because it looked as if we had one WR today because taylor jacobs sucks.

I was saying that today. Another deep threat at WR can really make a world of difference. Even during our 6 game winning streak, I always felt we were short of one more playmaker on our offense but that we did a great job with what we had. I can't feel too bad. Yes, I feel bad about today's game...but we're just not ready to take that next step yet. We still accomplished alot more than what people, even fellow Redskins fans expected, so I feel good about being a Redskins fan.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I didn't mean to "jump on you." If you felt that I did, I apologize.

No problem. I can understand being frustrated with today's game, but we all have to take a step back and look at the big picture. When we do, we can see that we accomplished quite a bit.