Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 01:21 AM

socio, those are great quotes. #1 isn't far off until the last sentence, but most people here thought the same thing.

#3 "He lacks physical courage and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and that is erratic and undependable"

that one kinda pisses you off though.

Master4Caster · 03-13-2006, 01:24 AM

Bet they said something like that when we signed Santana Moss.

Wait & see, then laugh.

hooskins · 03-13-2006, 01:32 AM

One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hooskins

One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.

3 years

maybe 4, i doubt 10 though. the tv contract and cba would expire, the cap and labor situation would be unknown, and the players to scout would be in 5th or 6th grade.

BigSKINBauer · 03-13-2006, 01:50 AM

comparing moss's deal with either of our new receivers is just not fair. Moss is underpaid for the production that he puts up. He had comparable numbers to lloyd when he came here. If moss has another top 3 WR season then he deserves more but as of now he has only had one great season with us and will need to do more before we can say that randle el and Lloyd don't deserve similar contracts that moss got when he got here. Moss is worth a hell of a lot more now than when we signed him and I don't think he will hold out just yet. if he has another great season i have no problem giving him a new contract expecially if he wants it on incentives.

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 02:15 AM

you just dont go around offering guys more money. not if you want to win games and maximize talent. sean taylor averages 2.5mill a year and he's the 2nd best guy on our defense (washington and griffin both average 5mill i believe, springs averages 6).

thats why you lock them in long term. we made a mistake in not doing that with pierce, but if you noticed, we got marshall cheap for years, so the lesson was learned. because of inflation, short term deals are inherently worse, cause even if the guy's production is the same, in 2010 that level of production is worth more than in 2006 as long as the nfl remains a growth industry.

the colts weren't decisive and decided to only pay out AFTER guys had career years, so they paid guys at the peak of their production, and anytime those players don't meet that production level, the colts lose value.

as long as your scouting is as good as ours has been (at avoiding busts), you invest early and for the long term and you'll come out with MUCH more talent per dollar. saving money now with short contracts is a great way to cost yourself more down the line (unles you're REALLY unsure on a palyer).

in the business of winning, maxing price/performance is best shot, and giving money away isn't going to help. its not like moss is making vet min, he's got a 31$mill contract (at 2006 prices). His production (should it continue) would merit a 56$mill contract. that's not nearly as far off as portis doing 1500 yards for 500k (when its worth 3-5mill), or javon walker.

there's a new cba and prices are up more than 5% unlike most years (they're up 10,15, maybe 20% this year depending on the team).

Luxorreb · 03-13-2006, 06:11 AM

High demand high prices for named FA's. That's the way it happens this year. Redskins are among the best in the league continually bringing excitement to the fans. The difference is we have Joe Gibbs, Greg Williams and Al Saunders coaching the team. Hate to say 'we're headed to the SB' just yet, but gotta admit we're headed to the playoffs again this year!

44deisel44 · 03-13-2006, 06:21 AM

For all us old schoolers.....this is the SAME shit Gibbs has always done. Just now we have 24/7, STUPID (_!_) journalists tryin to be MR. News breaker. ****ING HELL YEAH !!!!!! Randle El, Saunders, and lloyd......all the pieces fit...I have never been more excited since we got Vince Lombardi as head coach in 69 .....HAIL SKINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

MTK · 03-13-2006, 09:41 AM

On Mike and Mike this morning they both loved the Randle El signing, especially Greenberg.

At least some of the media is on our side.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-13-2006, 09:48 AM

Cocaine is a hell of a drug. :smoker:

I AM a bit concerned about this money situation. I don't want this to turn into 2000. I don't think it will, but I can definitely see them gearing up for Super Bowl XLI NOW.

That Guy · 03-13-2006, 10:02 AM

looking at OL DE and QB #3 targets now. If they sign, only LB (2nd tier starter) and #3 CB will be left. I'm not sure we'll try for a kicker or punter (though stealing dirk johnson from the iggles would be cool).

scowan · 03-13-2006, 01:43 PM

In two or three years when the Salary cap is at $120 million, paying $5 million a year for your number 2 receiver is going to seem like a bargin. Besides, what are we looking for in a number 2 WR? We are looking for 5-6 catches a game! Moss will get 7-10, Randle El will get 5-6, Lloyd may get 5-6, and Cooley will get 5-6. We don't have enough balls to go around! I still say the Skins will run the ball 20-25 times a game anyway.

GoSkins! · 03-13-2006, 01:56 PM

Look at Lloyd and Randle El's stats and project them to 90 catches. That is what they did with Moss and guess what happened. We are assembling playmakers together to make a cohesive offense. Did I mention we also got Saunders to run the offense???????

ParkerGibbs · 03-13-2006, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scowan

In two or three years when the Salary cap is at $120 million, paying $5 million a year for your number 2 receiver is going to seem like a bargin. Besides, what are we looking for in a number 2 WR? We are looking for 5-6 catches a game! Moss will get 7-10, Randle El will get 5-6, Lloyd may get 5-6, and Cooley will get 5-6. We don't have enough balls to go around! I still say the Skins will run the ball 20-25 times a game anyway.

best comment all thread. i agree 100%

dmek25 · 03-13-2006, 06:04 PM

is it over paying if the skins get at least one step closer.our team is being built to win.so who gives a damn what anyone says?im glad we have an owner that is willing to spend money to try and reach the big game

03-13-2006, 01:21 AM	#16
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract socio, those are great quotes. #1 isn't far off until the last sentence, but most people here thought the same thing. #3 "He lacks physical courage and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and that is erratic and undependable" that one kinda pisses you off though.

03-13-2006, 01:24 AM	#17
Master4Caster Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DC area Posts: 374	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract Bet they said something like that when we signed Santana Moss. Wait & see, then laugh. __________________ Master4Caster http://runningredskins.blogspot.com http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins

03-13-2006, 01:32 AM	#18
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out. __________________ Vacancy

03-13-2006, 01:50 AM	#20
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract comparing moss's deal with either of our new receivers is just not fair. Moss is underpaid for the production that he puts up. He had comparable numbers to lloyd when he came here. If moss has another top 3 WR season then he deserves more but as of now he has only had one great season with us and will need to do more before we can say that randle el and Lloyd don't deserve similar contracts that moss got when he got here. Moss is worth a hell of a lot more now than when we signed him and I don't think he will hold out just yet. if he has another great season i have no problem giving him a new contract expecially if he wants it on incentives.

03-13-2006, 02:15 AM	#21
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract you just dont go around offering guys more money. not if you want to win games and maximize talent. sean taylor averages 2.5mill a year and he's the 2nd best guy on our defense (washington and griffin both average 5mill i believe, springs averages 6). thats why you lock them in long term. we made a mistake in not doing that with pierce, but if you noticed, we got marshall cheap for years, so the lesson was learned. because of inflation, short term deals are inherently worse, cause even if the guy's production is the same, in 2010 that level of production is worth more than in 2006 as long as the nfl remains a growth industry. the colts weren't decisive and decided to only pay out AFTER guys had career years, so they paid guys at the peak of their production, and anytime those players don't meet that production level, the colts lose value. as long as your scouting is as good as ours has been (at avoiding busts), you invest early and for the long term and you'll come out with MUCH more talent per dollar. saving money now with short contracts is a great way to cost yourself more down the line (unles you're REALLY unsure on a palyer). in the business of winning, maxing price/performance is best shot, and giving money away isn't going to help. its not like moss is making vet min, he's got a 31$mill contract (at 2006 prices). His production (should it continue) would merit a 56$mill contract. that's not nearly as far off as portis doing 1500 yards for 500k (when its worth 3-5mill), or javon walker. there's a new cba and prices are up more than 5% unlike most years (they're up 10,15, maybe 20% this year depending on the team).

03-13-2006, 06:11 AM	#22
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract High demand high prices for named FA's. That's the way it happens this year. Redskins are among the best in the league continually bringing excitement to the fans. The difference is we have Joe Gibbs, Greg Williams and Al Saunders coaching the team. Hate to say 'we're headed to the SB' just yet, but gotta admit we're headed to the playoffs again this year! __________________ ^21^

03-13-2006, 06:21 AM	#23
44deisel44 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 260	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract For all us old schoolers.....this is the SAME shit Gibbs has always done. Just now we have 24/7, STUPID (_!_) journalists tryin to be MR. News breaker. ****ING HELL YEAH !!!!!! Randle El, Saunders, and lloyd......all the pieces fit...I have never been more excited since we got Vince Lombardi as head coach in 69 .....HAIL SKINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 90% of the game is half mental-John Madden Pure unadulterated uncompromising ecstasy- Jack K.Cooke

03-13-2006, 09:41 AM	#24
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract On Mike and Mike this morning they both loved the Randle El signing, especially Greenberg. At least some of the media is on our side. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-13-2006, 09:48 AM	#25
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract Cocaine is a hell of a drug. :smoker: I AM a bit concerned about this money situation. I don't want this to turn into 2000. I don't think it will, but I can definitely see them gearing up for Super Bowl XLI NOW. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-13-2006, 10:02 AM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract looking at OL DE and QB #3 targets now. If they sign, only LB (2nd tier starter) and #3 CB will be left. I'm not sure we'll try for a kicker or punter (though stealing dirk johnson from the iggles would be cool).

03-13-2006, 01:43 PM	#27
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 55 Posts: 1,559	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract In two or three years when the Salary cap is at $120 million, paying $5 million a year for your number 2 receiver is going to seem like a bargin. Besides, what are we looking for in a number 2 WR? We are looking for 5-6 catches a game! Moss will get 7-10, Randle El will get 5-6, Lloyd may get 5-6, and Cooley will get 5-6. We don't have enough balls to go around! I still say the Skins will run the ball 20-25 times a game anyway.

03-13-2006, 01:56 PM	#28
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract Look at Lloyd and Randle El's stats and project them to 90 catches. That is what they did with Moss and guess what happened. We are assembling playmakers together to make a cohesive offense. Did I mention we also got Saunders to run the offense??????? __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-13-2006, 06:04 PM	#30
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract is it over paying if the skins get at least one step closer.our team is being built to win.so who gives a damn what anyone says?im glad we have an owner that is willing to spend money to try and reach the big game __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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