ND 40 Mich 37 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RFKRat]

"ND is way over rated and shouldn't be a top 25 team!

Only reason they are in the top 25 is TV ratings!"

---That's a bit of a stretch don't you think? ND may not be a top 5-10 team but they certainly deserve to be in the top 25. And ND will always get good ratings regardless of their win-loss record. Still it was a great game, seems like it always is with those two teams. Quinn is an excellent QB when he's given time to throw. He just seemed pretty rattled in the first quarter. Great comeback for them though.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by RFKRat

"ND is way over rated and shouldn't be a top 25 team!

Only reason they are in the top 25 is TV ratings!"

---That's a bit of a stretch don't you think? ND may not be a top 5-10 team but they certainly deserve to be in the top 25. And ND will always get good ratings regardless of their win-loss record. Still it was a great game, seems like it always is with those two teams. Quinn is an excellent QB when he's given time to throw. He just seemed pretty rattled in the first quarter. Great comeback for them though.

"Great comeback" They got their ass kicked for 3 quarters straight. Let's be realistic Michigan blew the game.

[RFKRat]

"They got their ass kicked for 3 quarters straight."

--That shows right there you didn't watch the game. They were down 17-0 after the 1st quarter and outscored the Spartans 40-20 the final 3 quarters.

[GTripp0012]

Quinn or Brohm at Louisville are the most NFL ready QBs in college. I'm thinking Brohm won't come out due to his injury, and Quinn will be the #1 pick, Heisman or not.

I still stand by my Irish-Mountaineer Nat'l Champ game.

[BDBohnzie]

I caught the 2nd half of the ND/Mich St game (after seeing Jackass Number Two...excellent, run, don't walk, to see it), and have to say...it's too bad the downpour didn't continue. Quinn couldn't do squat in the rain, while the Spartans continued to smack the ND defense around.

I've never liked Notre Dame...and Brady Quinn is the next Gino Toretta.

[61cad]

ND is way over rated and shouldn't be a top 25 team!

Only reason they are in the top 25 is TV ratings!

[GTripp0012]

If you take the blinders off for a sec, and ask yourself whether a non-top ten team would have been capable of that comeback, you'd realize they are really as good as they are hyped. Both Michigan State and Michigan are VERY good teams. This is a team who beat Penn State at home be an insane margin. Watch as they beat up on the next 7 teams on the schedule, and go into USC with a Nat'l title game bid on the line.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you take the blinders off for a sec, and ask yourself whether a non-top ten team would have been capable of that comeback, you'd realize they are really as good as they are hyped. Both Michigan State and Michigan are VERY good teams. This is a team who beat Penn State at home be an insane margin. Watch as they beat up on the next 7 teams on the schedule, and go into USC with a Nat'l title game bid on the line.

Well gee whiz, let's look at the next 7 teams, shall we? Notre Dame is notorious for a cream puff schedule:

September 30 Purdue
October 7 Stanford
October 21 UCLA
October 28 at Navy
November 4 North Carolina
November 11 at Air Force
November 18 Army

Come on ... Army? Navy? UNC? Stanford is practically division II, UCLA blows. Why didn't they schedule the Salvation Army while they're at it?

Michigan State and Penn State are wanna-bees. And the Fighting Bums are gonna get creamed by USC. Then, they'll lose whatever bowl bid they get for an NCAA record 9th straight time.

Like I said, F*#! the Irish.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well gee whiz, let's look at the next 7 teams, shall we? Notre Dame is notorious for a cream puff schedule:

September 30 Purdue
October 7 Stanford
October 21 UCLA
October 28 at Navy
November 4 North Carolina
November 11 at Air Force
November 18 Army

Come on ... Army? Navy? UNC? Stanford is practically division II, UCLA blows. Why didn't they schedule the Salvation Army while they're at it?

Michigan State and Penn State are wanna-bees. And the Fighting Bums are gonna get creamed by USC. Then, they'll lose whatever bowl bid they get for an NCAA record 9th straight time.

Like I said, F*#! the Irish.

I think they have the toughest non-conference schedule in the NCAA. I mean, yeah those are 7 powderpuff games, but they opened with a murderers row of GT, Penn State, Michigan, and State, and they STILL have yet to play USC. Sure there are some easy teams on the schedule, but only the SEC teams have it tougher.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think they have the toughest non-conference schedule in the NCAA. I mean, yeah those are 7 powderpuff games, but they opened with a murderers row of GT, Penn State, Michigan, and State, and they STILL have yet to play USC. Sure there are some easy teams on the schedule, but only the SEC teams have it tougher.

Every team Notre Dame plays is non-conference because they're too afraid to get beaten up every week if they joined the Big Ten.

Georgia Tech is hardly part of "murderers row." They're #24 now and will be knocked out of the top 25 when Va Tech dispatches them this weekend. The Yellow Jackets have always been 'middle of the pack' in a very weak ACC. Penn State was good last year. Michigan State? Only Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana are worse in the Big Ten. And trust me, before they throttled Notre Dame, Michigan was considered to be on the decline. Only now are people talking about them as being any type of noise maker.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Every team Notre Dame plays is non-conference because they're too afraid to get beaten up every week if they joined the Big Ten.

Georgia Tech is hardly part of "murderers row." They're #24 now and will be knocked out of the top 25 when Va Tech dispatches them this weekend. The Yellow Jackets have always been 'middle of the pack' in a very weak ACC. Penn State was good last year. Michigan State? Only Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana are worse in the Big Ten. And trust me, before they throttled Notre Dame, Michigan was considered to be on the decline. Only now are people talking about them as being any type of noise maker.

Why would ND be afraid of getting beat up in the Big 10 (or is it 11) when they beat up the the Big 10 teams that they play every year. The Big 10 needs ND but ND does not need the Big 10. ND would gain nothing from joining a conference

[RJ2kWJ]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Every team Notre Dame plays is non-conference because they're too afraid to get beaten up every week if they joined the Big Ten.

Georgia Tech is hardly part of "murderers row." They're #24 now and will be knocked out of the top 25 when Va Tech dispatches them this weekend. The Yellow Jackets have always been 'middle of the pack' in a very weak ACC. Penn State was good last year. Michigan State? Only Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana are worse in the Big Ten. And trust me, before they throttled Notre Dame, Michigan was considered to be on the decline. Only now are people talking about them as being any type of noise maker.

WOOOOOO... Let Calvin come into Lane stadium and run train. I hope GT desimates Va Trash this weekend.

This coming from a huge Noles fan, not a GT fan.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Every team Notre Dame plays is non-conference because they're too afraid to get beaten up every week if they joined the Big Ten.

Georgia Tech is hardly part of "murderers row." They're #24 now and will be knocked out of the top 25 when Va Tech dispatches them this weekend. The Yellow Jackets have always been 'middle of the pack' in a very weak ACC. Penn State was good last year. Michigan State? Only Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana are worse in the Big Ten. And trust me, before they throttled Notre Dame, Michigan was considered to be on the decline. Only now are people talking about them as being any type of noise maker.

State did something against ND that I don't believe Minnesota, Purdue, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, and maybe even Iowa wouldn't even be capable of. Penn State is ranked, deserves to be ranked, and still are absolutely not in the same class as the Irish. Win or lose, Michigan State has proved so far this year that they deserve to be top 25, and I could see them taking down Iowa or Michigan. Michigan may be the countries' most underrated team. I'm not saying that because they beat the Irish. I THOUGHT they would beat the Irish preseason (it's in the preseason NCAA FB thread). I also thought the Nat'l championship would be ND-West Virginia. I'm not going to change my prediction because it's been spot on so far. No one will come out of the Big Ten without a loss. Iowa and Michigan will lose one each. Ohio State and Mich. State will lose two each. (Yes, this means that Michigan will beat Ohio State)

[Defensewins]

IF Ohio State losses.
It is funny how quickly forgotten the 41-27 ass whipping two weeks ago the real Michigan team gave ND.

This thread is not correctly titled, they barely beat Michgan STATE.
ND lost - no they were crushed by Michigan two eweeks ago.
Brady Quinn did not look like the most ready for NFL QB in the Michigan game (3 ints and 3 sacks). Brady Quinn is not ready to face NFL defenses.
I am neither a ND or Ohio State fan, but ND is not a sure thing.

For the final I would like to see the rubber match of OSU vs Texas.

[GTripp0012]

Tough to blow a lead that big to a non top-25 team, isn't it? I came away really impressed with Michigan State, even if they couldn't keep their foot on the jugular.