Joe And Vinny Must Go.

MTK · 10-23-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

that'd be all well and good, except that, whoever's in charge on personnel sucks at it. he may not want it, but he needs help there that he's not getting from his scouts or whoever is helping him now.

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 12:38 PM

I said in a couple posts last week that changes need to be made, but those changes have to be made to the mindset of the FO. Gibbs realizes he's not going to be able to coach much longer and the idea is to win now. With that idea comes the abandonment of the draft because it dwarfts the win now syndrome. Gibbs does not have the time or patience to develop players because it's going to take more time than he has to win. I've said it before, Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder are all lovers of the free agent route to team building and it's not goin g to work for a multitude of reasons. That's why I say the mindset of the FO must change for this team to move foreward in a positive direction.

skinsfan69 · 10-23-2006, 01:00 PM

The problem is that the team has no talent! That is why we lose to a 0-5 team with a rookie qb at home. We are below average at QB, the o-line can't pass protect, the d-line does not have a pass rusher, no real playmakers at linebacker, and the 2ndary is a frickin joke. Arch and Rodgers and cover my mother and no depth at any positions on the team. And if the idea is to win now then why draft Campbell in the first place? Why not take those two picks and get 0-line and d-line help?

Hog1 · 10-23-2006, 01:04 PM

The team had enough talent to go 10-6 last season and to the second game in the playoffs. the offseason moves were very positive. The result is not

VTSkins897 · 10-23-2006, 01:10 PM

put in JC.

jbcjr14 · 10-23-2006, 01:10 PM

No talent? Are you kidding me? That is NOT one of this teams problems. I am going to stop there and just hope JG rights this ship before season's end.

skinsfan69 · 10-23-2006, 01:11 PM

Do you remember how they went 10-6?? Barely beat a beat up Philly team w/out McNabb, barely beat Arizona, beat St. Louis playing it's 3rd string QB. And the playoff game??? Do you remember 41 yards passing?? The only reason that game was won was on turnovers and the d-fense scored a TD.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

probably does. depth has always been a concern, and injuries show how terrible our backups are. the playcalling does seem arbitrary and predictable, the screens and outside runs seem to be 50% of our playbook, and the shotgun and audibles (that turned brunell from shite to useful) are no where in sight.

A lack of (player) leadership may also be a problem, but i can't really be sure.

the problem with the FO were the huge contracts to worthless players. 1 for 4 (and overpaying that one too) just isn't good, and the depth at LB isn't good. expensive mistakes bad going foward :/.

#56fanatic · 10-23-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

MTK · 10-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you remember how they went 10-6?? Barely beat a beat up Philly team w/out McNabb, barely beat Arizona, beat St. Louis playing it's 3rd string QB. And the playoff game??? Do you remember 41 yards passing?? The only reason that game was won was on turnovers and the d-fense scored a TD.

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

again, your acting like these are hard facts. saunders has already said that gibbs intervenes and can veto plays, and he (saunders) isn't allowed to choose the players he wants to play (from the current roster).

SmootSmack · 10-23-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.

Exactly. And if you look around the league, a lot of teams "back their way" into victories. At the end of the day what matters is the W, not how you got it.

RobH4413 · 10-23-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Exactly. And if you look around the league, a lot of teams "back their way" into victories. At the end of the day what matters is the W, not how you got it.

Look at INDI...

they win pretty, they win ugly, but they win.

Hog1 · 10-23-2006, 01:52 PM

Good teams find a way to win, even when they don't play well! Currently, we are not that team

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Good teams find a way to win, even when they don't play well! Currently, we are not that team

shoot... look at that bears game. 4 ints, 2 fumbles, victory?

10-23-2006, 12:38 PM	#17
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. I said in a couple posts last week that changes need to be made, but those changes have to be made to the mindset of the FO. Gibbs realizes he's not going to be able to coach much longer and the idea is to win now. With that idea comes the abandonment of the draft because it dwarfts the win now syndrome. Gibbs does not have the time or patience to develop players because it's going to take more time than he has to win. I've said it before, Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder are all lovers of the free agent route to team building and it's not goin g to work for a multitude of reasons. That's why I say the mindset of the FO must change for this team to move foreward in a positive direction.

10-23-2006, 01:00 PM	#18
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,281	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. The problem is that the team has no talent! That is why we lose to a 0-5 team with a rookie qb at home. We are below average at QB, the o-line can't pass protect, the d-line does not have a pass rusher, no real playmakers at linebacker, and the 2ndary is a frickin joke. Arch and Rodgers and cover my mother and no depth at any positions on the team. And if the idea is to win now then why draft Campbell in the first place? Why not take those two picks and get 0-line and d-line help?

10-23-2006, 01:04 PM	#19
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. The team had enough talent to go 10-6 last season and to the second game in the playoffs. the offseason moves were very positive. The result is not __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-23-2006, 01:10 PM	#20
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. put in JC.

10-23-2006, 01:10 PM	#21
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. No talent? Are you kidding me? That is NOT one of this teams problems. I am going to stop there and just hope JG rights this ship before season's end. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

10-23-2006, 01:11 PM	#22
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,281	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. Do you remember how they went 10-6?? Barely beat a beat up Philly team w/out McNabb, barely beat Arizona, beat St. Louis playing it's 3rd string QB. And the playoff game??? Do you remember 41 yards passing?? The only reason that game was won was on turnovers and the d-fense scored a TD.

10-23-2006, 01:52 PM	#29
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. Good teams find a way to win, even when they don't play well! Currently, we are not that team __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

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