Dolphins & Ogunleye talks reaching an impasse

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by Big C

ogunleye and gardner are not even close to being on the same plane. This is rediculous to even speculate this trade.

C: I was the one that originally suggested a trade a few posts back. Where did you get the idea I suggested a one-for-one straight up trade? And in addition to that, if you read my post, the basis for the trade was, "IF Miami has a problem they can't solve...". In that situation, a team almost never receives full value for the player. There was nothing at all ridiculous about the original post, even though it is doubtful that we will be lucky enough to actually see this come to pass. Of course if it does happen, the primary components of the trade would be Gardner and Ogunleye. I personally believe the Redskins sent out feelers for a Gardner trade around the time they signed Thrash, and did not get offered enough. (That is strictly MY conjecture). So I agree, even with Miami in a bind, Ogunleye has more value than Gardner straight up.

[Big C]

i agree

[NFLNetwork]

NO....We Could Afford Ogunleye, but its gonna be the last big name we sign...But he's WELL worth it.....REMEMBER...3 years...not 5.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Big C, you are right that Miami would never go for a Gardner-Ogunleye straight up trade. However, as Hogskin pointed out, the point of mentioning Gardner was that Miami needs a second wideout and Gardner seems disposable at this point. Miami would especially like a guy like Gardner since they already have a speedy WR in Chambers and need a possession WR like Gardner. Though Miami would have a ton of suitors trying to get Ogunleye, I think that we definately would have a shot at him. A trade for Gardner and a 2nd rounder might suffice and though I hate how we give up picks every year, this one can be justified.

As some of the "old Warpathers" might remember from what I said in the preseason last year (I was constantly bit-hing about our crappy front four), I am a FIRM believer that the dline is perhaps the most important "group of positions." I think that defense is the foundation of any solid team, the dline is the most important part of the defense, and the dline's ability to rush the passer and cause disruption in the backfield is key to winning any matchup.

Griffin is a nice addition and Wynn is a decent run-stopper, but we don't have any true pass-rushing threat. No, Arrington does not count since he's a LB and anytime we bring him to the line, our D's "backfield" is that much weaker. Noble is coming off a catastrophic injury. Upshaw didn't show much, besides getting flagged a lot, last year. And our only pass rushing threat from last year, a guy old enough to be some posters' dad, has retired.

Basically, we need help on our dline and bad. Analysts said that Dallas needed help on their dline and they have Glover and Ellis. Who do we have?

NO PASS RUSH=TIME FOR QB=COMPLETIONS=POINTS FOR DALLAS
NO RUN STUFFING DTS=POOR RUN DEFENSE=TIRED 'SKINS D

We need some help, so I say go get Ogunleye. I don't think it's possible that we could overpay for him considering our dline's sad current state.

[diehardskin2982]

Sorry guys this gardner trade would be a no go... remember the name Boston? well he's in Miami now, forget ogi I say if we are going to trade get sam Adams the ends would have a monster year with him and griffin colgging up the middle. I think we drafted a big d-linemen 300+ he may be a sleeper this year mark my words

[MTK]

I'm not sure Miami would be interested in Gardner, they already have Boston and Chambers.

[Riggo44]

I would love to get that guy!!! But It isn't going to happen!

[Big C]

this is true

[jrocx69]

you guys arent paying attention to how much the guys we signed last year and the year before are going to sky rocket... our cap is in enough crap for the future. we have about 2 years before we have to do some major restructuring and waivers to come close to getting under. remember how snyder stays under... its like balloon payments... pay a little now, and a crap load later