Reality check on Campbell

[EternalEnigma21]

yeah, brunell's record is speaking louder than any "realist". I don't see how campbell could make things any worse, and if he's worth Half of what we gave to get him, he should be capable of making a playoff run.

Quick Question...

what happens if we leave brunell in and we do make the playoffs this year?
The D would definately have to step up, but Brunell could be a huge part of that, and if he does come back swinging, do we get rid of him next year?

I wonder if that happens, (and dont say it couldn't because this is exactly what Gibbs is wanting to happen, and he's got faith it will...) will brunell be back next year, and would we want to go through a learning curve with JC next year as he gets acclimated to an offense it apparently takes a year to get acclimated to for someone who didn't score a 7 on the wonderlick....

not a shot or anything, just a question...

[marius]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah, brunell's record is speaking louder than any "realist". I don't see how campbell could make things any worse, and if he's worth Half of what we gave to get him, he should be capable of making a playoff run.

Quick Question...

what happens if we leave brunell in and we do make the playoffs this year?
The D would definately have to step up, but Brunell could be a huge part of that, and if he does come back swinging, do we get rid of him next year?

I wonder if that happens, (and dont say it couldn't because this is exactly what Gibbs is wanting to happen, and he's got faith it will...) will brunell be back next year, and would we want to go through a learning curve with JC next year as he gets acclimated to an offense it apparently takes a year to get acclimated to for someone who didn't score a 7 on the wonderlick....

not a shot or anything, just a question...

A valid question. Wouldn't it be great if we had that problem next year? I'd be very happy if we got the playoffs with Brunell as starter and then had to wonder about next year, wouldn't you?

Anyway, the Redskins have proven time and again that they don't really plan for the future but are more concerned with now!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Quick Question...

what happens if we leave brunell in and we do make the playoffs this year?
The D would definately have to step up, but Brunell could be a huge part of that, and if he does come back swinging, do we get rid of him next year?

I wonder if that happens, (and dont say it couldn't because this is exactly what Gibbs is wanting to happen, and he's got faith it will...) will brunell be back next year, and would we want to go through a learning curve with JC next year as he gets acclimated to an offense it apparently takes a year to get acclimated to for someone who didn't score a 7 on the wonderlick....

Great question. Here's the thing. If we do make a playoff run, surely we would have to finish the season 7-2 or better. If he does that and makes a deep playoff run, say gets to the championship game, then you don't get rid of him. See, people are under the impression that anytime you lose, the QB isn't good enough and the Redskins could quite realistically go 8-1 without Brunell doing a damn thing different than he is now.

If he doesn't get us to the NFC Championship, I'd hand Campbell the job in the offseason.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Great question. Here's the thing. If we do make a playoff run, surely we would have to finish the season 7-2 or better. If he does that and makes a deep playoff run, say gets to the championship game, then you don't get rid of him. See, people are under the impression that anytime you lose, the QB isn't good enough and the Redskins could quite realistically go 8-1 without Brunell doing a damn thing different than he is now.

If he doesn't get us to the NFC Championship, I'd hand Campbell the job in the offseason.

The Ravens got rid of Dilfer. Cincinnatti got rid of Kitna. The 49er's let Montanna go. The Chargers got rid of Brees (sure he had an injured shoulder but..). At some point you have to make the switch for the future. An aging QB needs to be a huge fan favorite in order to stay when there's a young gun waiting on the bench.

[Longtimefan]

Many fans have reached the point where they're not as much concerned with wins and losses at this stage as they are about change. Maybe it would be different if they felt we had a realistic chance of winning something this year, but the way this team has performed thus far, it's very difficult to continue maintaining an optimistic view. This Brunell/Campbell dilema will undoubtably work itself out, but if Brunell continues to start these games and his play does not inspire, there's going to be maximim fan pressure on Gibbs to take a different view of his stated position. It was fan pressure that made Gibbs rethink his decision on Brunell in 2004 when he benched him in favor of Ramsey, and I have a feeling things could get real ugly at Fed-Ex if Gibbs continues along this stubborn course.

[redskins5044]

the way u prove your self in the NFL is with playing in an actual game. i dont know how many times this needs to be stated is we are 2-5!!!! i know brunell is probably the better QB to beat dallas this week but what glimmer of hope are we holding on too. last when we won all those games in a row to make the playoffs at least of defense was playing very well prior to the winning streak and our offense only had to get a little better. i think i have come to relaize now that brunell will start until we all but barley elminated from the playoffs. which will be shortly.

[redskins5044]

a qb is a different position. jacobs and brown had chances to prove themselves on special teams and on occasion on offense. a qb needs to play games to gather experience. antonio peirce the big year he had before he left for the giants had never been a starter look at what he did and is doing. i just read on redskins.com moss and portis status is uncertain for the game if we dont have either of those guys getting ready for the "brunell five yard dump off show" all day long. 3rd and 8 dump for five yards then punt. 1st and 10 run for 4 yards. brings up 2nd and 6 "whistle" false start 5 yard penalty. 2 and 11 wr screen gain of 2 yards brings up 3rd and 9 guess whats coming five yard check down pass to betts 4th down and have to punt.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

a qb is a different position. jacobs and brown had chances to prove themselves on special teams and on occasion on offense. a qb needs to play games to gather experience. antonio peirce the big year he had before he left for the giants had never been a starter look at what he did and is doing. i

sorry, couldn't grasp you point. mine was there was no substitute for actual game experience. not practice, not even preseason.

[The Zimmermans]

I hope campbell has come a long way since preseason, cause he showed nothing then.....against 3rd string defenses. He seemed to lack vision, I'm assuming that was because of the new offense. I hope he has grasped Saunders' scheme, but I doubt he has. I wouldnt be against starting todd collins. I think he would be a better guy for campbell to learn from, that is if campbell proves not ready.

[marius]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I wouldnt be against starting todd collins. I think he would be a better guy for campbell to learn from, that is if campbell proves not ready.

I agree and think that Collins is more likely to step in than Brunell. Bottom line is that while the season is still alive (just) we have to fight and do everything we can to win. Putting Campbell in just doesn't give us the best chance to do that in my opinion.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I hope campbell has come a long way since preseason, cause he showed nothing then.....against 3rd string defenses. He seemed to lack vision, I'm assuming that was because of the new offense. I hope he has grasped Saunders' scheme, but I doubt he has. I wouldnt be against starting todd collins. I think he would be a better guy for campbell to learn from, that is if campbell proves not ready.

So you argue that based on preseason performance we shouldnt start Campbell and then argue we should consider starting Collins!?!?!?!

Did you watch the preseason?

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

So you argue that based on preseason performance we shouldnt start Campbell and then argue we should consider starting Collins!?!?!?!

Did you watch the preseason?

Yes I watched the preseason, and saw nothing out of campbell, however, collins knows the offense at least, which would make gibbs more comfortable, and he could teach campbell more easily than brunell since he should know the plays like the back of his hand. It's true that collins didnt look good in preseason, but he has done it in the past during the reg season with a crappy chiefs defense on the other side of the ball, preseason is the only way to judge campbell at this moment.

[The Zimmermans]

I would be so much more excited for the game if the redskins started another QB this sunday. You would think that Gibbs would realize that the fans dont support brunell, you don't want a guy in who the fans no longer support. Gibbs benched brunell in 2004, I hope he can do the same in 2006.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I would be so much more excited for the game if the redskins started another QB this sunday. You would think that Gibbs would realize that the fans dont support brunell, you don't want a guy in who the fans no longer support. Gibbs benched brunell in 2004, I hope he can do the same in 2006.

Not me, Brunell was my only viable alternative QB in my fantasy football league. I guess I could try Huard, though.

Aside from that, let's hope that Gibbs decision to switch QB's is not based on the voice of the fans but rather knowing if Campbell is ready.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I would be so much more excited for the game if the redskins started another QB this sunday. You would think that Gibbs would realize that the fans dont support brunell, you don't want a guy in who the fans no longer support. Gibbs benched brunell in 2004, I hope he can do the same in 2006.

Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Base your decisions on who the fans want