Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings

[Big C]

id rather us keep wynn because of his leadership, hes a character guy, but his role has been minimized, and unelss he restructures he has to go

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here are some players who, in my judgment, are vulnerable to being handed their walking papers. Some are only slight possibilities to get cut (like Thrash because Gibbs loves him on special teams), others are locks (like John Hall). But these are the possibles.

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

We'd also save a bit by cutting Jansen, Randy Thomas, or Rabach. But I'm assuming that ain't happening.

These are the guys we're stuck with 'till death do us part (or till salary cap hell do us in). We can't renegotiate to give us much relief in '07, and we can't cut them or we'll absorb this:

Antwaan Randle El: $7.5 m hit to cut
Andre Carter: $6.8 m hit to cut
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut
Brandon Lloyd: $6.5 m hit to cut
Carlos Rogers: $5.3 m hit to cut
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

Not that we'd want to cut all those guys (except ahem, Archuleta).

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

If you think Portis will or should be gone in 2007, you need to stop free-basing.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If you think Portis will or should be gone in 2007, you need to stop free-basing.

I'm not saying I want him gone becasue I don't. What I'm saying is that his number is real big next year and you know they are going to ask him to renegotiate. So there is a chance he could be let go. His contract is basically a three year deal. Needs are everywhere. O-line, D-line, linebacker and 2ndary. The whole team is so top heavy, meaning too much money is invested in the starters and not enough invested in quality depth. Do I think we could win with Betts, Duckett and Cartwright? Hell yeah. I believe you win with defense and you can replace RB's. Yes Portis is a great back but I would rather have two disruptive pass rushers on our front 7 than Portis.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

CP does have a huge number for next year and had he had a good season this year the skins might have been able to move him and avoid the big hit but he has been injury riddled this season and because of that I think his value has been diminished.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

thats just nonsense. portis is our best player. betts and duckett both are free agents at seasons end. Look for betts to be back but duckett is out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

thats just nonsense. portis is our best player. betts and duckett both are free agents at seasons end. Look for betts to be back but duckett is out.

You are correct. He is our best player. But he is also the most expensive. And he plays a position where he could easily be replaced. RB's can be replaced a lot easier than pass rushers.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are correct. He is our best player. But he is also the most expensive. And he plays a position where he could easily be replaced. RB's can be replaced a lot easier than pass rushers.

Jesus man, read the posts above.

Portis costs us more money to cut in '07 than he does to keep. Please gain a basic knowledge of the salary cap before you start coming around talking about the chances certain players may be gone.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Jesus man, read the posts above.

Portis costs us more money to cut in '07 than he does to keep. Please gain a basic knowledge of the salary cap before you start coming around talking about the chances certain players may be gone.

What are you the frickin cap specialist for the Redskins? I said they would ask him to renegotiate! If he is not willing then he could be let go. Meaning he could be traded or cut. I'm sure a team like the Jets would be interested.

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

joke post. i lol'd.

9m or no i want archuleta out. truth of it though is like you guys said, just deal for another year. maybe he can have some crazy offseason and learn to cover.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

joke post. i lol'd.

9m or no i want archuleta out. truth of it though is like you guys said, just deal for another year. maybe he can have some crazy offseason and learn to cover.

C'mon dude. Who in the hell is going to want AA? He has no trade value. The point of my post is Portis has trade value and we could possibly get back draft picks. At this point we need dratft picks bad. That's how you get better.

[hooskins]

I dont see how Brunell is anything but a must cut. He is really washed up, and we have Todd Collins for cheap. Make Todd our number two, and I would be confident with him stepping in, bc atleast he knows Al's stuff really. Draft some scum in the latter rounds, or pickup a cheap free agent for third in the depth chart.

[That Guy]

couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.

I like Clemons but they had better get some pass rushers first. I think that will help the 2ndary and hopefully Carlos R. will get better. I don't see how Wynn will be back and Brunell will be back.

[MTK]

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

My cut wish list is in bold. It's time to cut some serious fat and inject some youth into this team, especially on defense. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Vincent back again.