At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.

You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.

Thanks, I forgot about Dungy. You are right, there are no quick fixes, however, Joe Gibbs has next year and the one after to do whatever he's going to do.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

It is true Marty has done a good job after he left. At the time, I personally was not to excited at the prospect of "Marty ball". Like Texas A & M. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. (or whatever)

[724Skinsfan]

The point at which Gibbs is caught late night at the Watergate Hotel handing over Saunder's 700 page playbook to 31 represenatatives of the other NFL franchises late at night wearing a diaper and covered in peanut butter and Hershey's Chocolate Magic Shell. At that point a fan would be justified in calling for his resignation.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

The point at which Gibbs is caught late night at the Watergate Hotel handing over Saunder's 700 page playbook to 31 represenatatives of the other NFL franchises late at night wearing a diaper and covered in peanut butter and Hershey's Chocolate Magic Shell. At that point a fan would be justified in calling for his resignation.

Unless he has an excuse.

[illdefined]

if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.). and those are overshadowed by his qualities.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by illdefined

if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.) but they are way overshadowed by his qualities.

Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.

I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.

I have personally read some, in fact many, that certainly suggest he's beyond reproach, that's for damn sure.

[Longtimefan]

I'm a fan who will be willing to let Joe Gibbs make that decision for himself. After all, that's what legends do.

[Southpaw]

I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

I personally think Gibbs returns no matter what. And if he doesn't, it certainly won't have anything to do with Campbell succeeding or failing, after all we're only going to see him for seven games. That's hardly enough for Joe Gibbs to call it quits with 2 years remaining.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

If Campbell completely flops, that will be Gibbs' mistake since it was he who was instrumental in bringing Campbell here and rolling the dice on him (gifting all those draft picks to Denver) in the first place.