The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he does get in I'm going to seriously consider taking that trip too.

I think a lot of people around here would be right there with you, myself included.

[hooskins]

Fuck Dr.Z and King. I hate both of those douchers.

[dblanch66]

I am just glad he is going to be voted in ...finally! Thru it all, you've never heard one comment or negativity from Monk himself...kinda like when he played. It is time to reward CLASS.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

I am just glad he is going to be voted in ...finally! Thru it all, you've never heard one comment or negativity from Monk himself...kinda like when he played. It is time to reward CLASS.

Well we still don't know he is going in. Hopefully he will.

[Redskins_P]

Its about time he recognized.

I still hate him though....

[BrudLee]

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[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

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[Redskin]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

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must have quite the jaw to hit the 4and k

[70Chip]

I think that King had to agree to change his position on Monk in order to get the votes for Carson last year. And I think he was whipping votes for Carson because he knew it was the will of his Lord and Master Bill Parcells. None of the substantive points he makes are truer now than they were last year. It seems to me that he struck a deal with someone or perhaps several someones.

What a shame that simple-minded reporters like King are given such power. If he's going to coaches to get their opinions, why don't we just let the coaches vote?

At any rate, it's great that Monk will finally be honored. Now it will be interesting to see what happens with Darell Green and Russ Grimm. Is it going to take 6 or 7 years to get them in?

[irish]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think that King had to agree to change his position on Monk in order to get the votes for Carson last year. And I think he was whipping votes for Carson because he knew it was the will of his Lord and Master Bill Parcells. None of the substantive points he makes are truer now than they were last year. It seems to me that he struck a deal with someone or perhaps several someones.

What a shame that simple-minded reporters like King are given such power. If he's going to coaches to get their opinions, why don't we just let the coaches vote?

At any rate, it's great that Monk will finally be honored. Now it will be interesting to see what happens with Darell Green and Russ Grimm. Is it going to take 6 or 7 years to get them in?

Which coaches? Past, present, both?

I have said it before and I'll say it again, the writers voting for HOF is not perfect but it the best way to do it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think that King had to agree to change his position on Monk in order to get the votes for Carson last year. And I think he was whipping votes for Carson because he knew it was the will of his Lord and Master Bill Parcells. None of the substantive points he makes are truer now than they were last year. It seems to me that he struck a deal with someone or perhaps several someones.

King is a lot of things. Essentially, however, he is a Giants homer and a Parcell's sycophant who fails to recognize or acknowlege that he is both. IMO - These basic flaws cause him to be less then fair minded or objective in his analysis but, because of his position as a national writer, he is given much more credibility as an objective reporter by other talking heads. Again, it was his basic Giant/Parcells prejudices that caused him to devalue and overlook the very factors he is now considering in Monk. Although true last year and the year before, they are not obvious except to those who followed the team or played with/against Monk. PK sought those people out and, as all of us expected, got overwhelming support for Monk.

At the same time, I don't think he is intentionally dishonest in either his reporting or his commentary. Other than his significant failure to recognize his own biases and prejudices, I think he strives for integrity in his writing. For that reason, I don't think "had to change his mind on Monk". I take him at face value that it was Shapiro's call that got him to reevaluate - that has consistently been his story and I see no reason to doubt it.

Quite frankly, it seems that Shapiro used King's attempt at internal intregit to Monk's advantage - "How can you advocate a very good LB like Carson based on his intangibles and the statements of his coach and not use those same considerations for Monk." PK finally acknowledged his personal bias and sought out other opionions. Although it pisses me off that it took him so long to recognize his failure and his inconsistency, I respect that he was true to his word, overcame his biases and all but assured Monk a place in the Hall.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

all I can say is it's about F-in time!!!!

[Citizens for 81]

Monk has a mandate. The injustice must come to an end. The people cannot be ignored any longer. Citizens our time is now!

[dgack]

Fuck King. As others have said, I don't buy the mea culpa routine at this point, he's just covering his logical ass because he knows he can be called out for his homer support of Carson.

King has been around long enough to know what Art means to the Redskins nation, and if he doesn't, what kind of an NFL reporter is he?

[Citizens for 81]

I guarantee you in King's mind he held the logic that if Carson doesn't get in, then neither does Monk. For the last few years these two guys have been on the bubble and there was no way King would let Monk get in if his guy didn't get in as well.