Problems at the core

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

at this point I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather keep Archuletta. Lloyd is a cancer in the clubhouse, whereas Archuletta is more like Chicken Pox or something.

I said this before in another thread, and I'll say it here...winning is the cure of all ailments. If we win next year, no one will be whining or complaining. Lloyd is frustrated with his lack of play and no coincidence lack of wins. You have to put yourself in his shoes. I don't agree with his whining, but if you believe you're a great player, and you are not being used and you lose every game, wouldn't you make the conclusion that you are losing because you're not being utilyzed? Losing shuts everyone up. Before we pull the trigger on everyone, let's let the emotions subside and see what we have and what we can work with next year.

[FRPLG]

I have been an apologist for our personell aquisition startegy for a long time but it is clear to me that while I think the basic approach can work this front office is not even executing the approach properly. I got no answers for this.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

And people wonder why I hate Lloyd with such a burning passion.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think the article further illustrates just how important is is for us to have a skilled personnel manager, GM (if you will) to evaluate, and choose players. A lengthly article, and throughtout I get the feeling that's the most important point trying to be made.

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

[redsk1]

It seems like this past offseason Gibbs forgot what he was preaching about. He wasn't going to sign Smoot for more money than Springs made, etc. They thought AP was asking for too much $ and they let him go.

Now last offseason, they just forgot all about being frugal, not rocking the boat. We again, overpaid for outside players that are not our core guys.

I didn't understand why they did those things when they did them and now it's come back to bite us.

I really think something in the FO structure has to change or the people in the FO need to have a meeting and agree on a philosophy. No more boneheaded moves.

[dgack]

This just proves (again) my thinking that the way our FO handles its players on the whole is callous and abrasive, and that long-term, that approach is not going to do us any favors.

Unlike Lloyd, when Arch arrived, he arrived as a player with a decent reputation as a hard-working player, good defender (in the right system) and a veteran who was looking forward to helping to lead this defense. It should be clear now that we aren't the only ones who noticed how this team gave up on and discarded a player, effectively scapegoating him for the entire defense's collapse. You think every one of the guys playing on defense isn't wondering whether they might be the next casualty of the cut-and-run coaching philosophy?

If GGrilliamss is such a good coach, he can make things work with Arch, but the real question is if anyone's going to make him check his ego and hold him accountable for working with what he's got. After all, he personally shopped for and selected Archuleta, and basically gulag'ed him when things didn't work out the way he wanted them.

Lloyd should be basically put on probation at the start of next season and told to shape up or he'll sit and rot on the bench like Philly did to T.O. Blaming a young QB who needs all the help he can get from his receivers (and by the way, the guy who will decide whether or not to throw your way when you bother to run your routes correctly), and shouting at the WR's coach? That's just inexcusable. He needs to realize that the paycheck he gets here may be his last if he doesn't commit himself to being a professional.

Great article by JLC. I'm starting to feel sorry for Jason Campbell now. I almost wish he had gone to a less dysfunctional team.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

Agree on this "structure." Vinny C has been a constant here along w/ our less than mediocre organization. He's got to go imo.

[dgack]

In my experience, when ego and failure to succeed clash, it's rare for the ego to defer to what's needed to succeed. Because, of course, the ego believes that the reason for failure can't possibly be himself / herself.

I believe Joe will really do whatever he thinks he can / is needed to turn this team around next season. Unfortunately, I think too many of the problems reside in places that even St. Joe can't wield power.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

hey everybody...I know I'm kind of new here but I have to agree though...until Dan Snyder gets the h*ll out of the way and fires his favorite yes-man Vinny Cerrato we wil not see a turn around for a really long time...I just hate seeing Gibb's reputation tarnished the way it is...kind-of like seeing Johnny Unitas in a the Charger uniform it almost makes me want to cry.

Speaking of Johnny U. He only wanted $100,000 to stay in Baltimore. One of the greatest QB's in NFL history seeking such a paltry sum (by today's standards), seeing what QB's with a fraction of his talent make now, I'm sure makes him want to cry as well.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Agree on this "structure." Vinny C has been a constant here along w/ our less than mediocre organization. He's got to go imo.

Absolutely...you guys should see the posts on the WP website in response to this article...those people are frightfully vicious at blaming Gibbs...now I'll be the first to say that he's not 100% perfect and he does bear some responsibility..but ever since 1997 when he bought the team, Synder and Vinny have been the one constant...everyone in the NFL knows Vinny is Godawful at evaluating talent and Snyder isn't much better but his own ego won't let him get out of the way.

[dall-assblows]

i heard that carlos rodgers is going to workout with darrell green and deion sanders.

[Darrell_Green_28]

link confirming this is where?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

i heard that carlos rodgers is going to workout with darrell green and deion sanders.

He said so himself in an interview on Sunday.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

Absolutely...you guys should see the posts on the WP website in response to this article...those people are frightfully vicious at blaming Gibbs...now I'll be the first to say that he's not 100% perfect and he does bear some responsibility..but ever since 1997 when he bought the team, Synder and Vinny have been the one constant...everyone in the NFL knows Vinny is Godawful at evaluating talent and Snyder isn't much better but his own ego won't let him get out of the way.

I'm certainly no fan of Snyder or Cerrato but Lloyd isn't on this team unless Joe Gibbs wants him on this team. Yet another example of why we need a strong GM who can act independently of Gibbs. Most of the great players from Gibbs I were sniffed out by others (Beathard, Casserly, etc). There's really never been any reason to think Gibbs is especially adept at being the Redskins' top personel guy and this year's disappointment proves it.

Gibbs II = 21-27. All the rest is just conversation.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It's really unfortunate the way Lloyd responded to Saunders....talk to the quarterback!? What a bitch, seriously! His ass needs to go, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If Gibbs wants to continue to defend his decision making process, then so be it. But if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I agree 100%. His ass needs to go ASAP and I don't care about the cap ramifications. Use a late round draft pick on a 6'4 possesion WR who can play teams. Do these guys in the FO do any homework at all? A year or two ago I was reading a fantasy football magazine and the writers were just killing LLoyd and Barlow. Saying how they were just bad locker room guys in SF. This signing is as bad as AA.