Not All Scientist Believe In Global Warming

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Yeah the shit being tossed around is pretty crazy....

Anyone claiming a few years of bad hurricanes, or warm spells has to do with global warming is way off. The year to year natural fluctuations that occur in no way can predict any kind of trend we may be having. Global warming can be analyzed as something that happends over the hundreds of years, not year to year.

I always laugh when people (esp. politicians) bring up Katrina as a poss. link to global warming. Anyone that knows anything about weather knows that that isn't the case. It's a perfect example to how a politician works in our system. Trying to find any possible way to back up there agenda, to get something for their constintuents, so that they get re-elected.

The worst hurricanes happened in the 1900's...cat 4 and 5 storms battered the coast on a regular basis.

Katrina was statistically supposed to happen. There is a chance every year that a Cat. 5 hurricane was going to hit the gulf coast, and they were due for one.

Hurricane History

Katrina had actually weakened a lot by the time it hit the coast. It didn't even hit New Orleans directly either. The flooding was not from the storm, it was because they built the city BELOW sea level and the levies were built to only sustain a Cat 3 storm IF in good condition. These levies were in need of repair for about 25-30 years but were ignored. The federal $ that the state and local governments of LA and NO were used on projects like casinos and other buildings instead of being spent on what they requested the money for. It was corrupt government officials down there that caused the death and destruction...with a little credit towards the first contractors that decided to make a city shaped like a toilet bowl. It finally flushed on them. Ok...blame gravity if you don't want to blame Mayor Nagin and Governor Landreau.

So what did we do? Give them MORE money that is still being mis-spent. Nagin couldn't use buses to get people OUT of the storm, but he found the keys and bus drivers to bring people back to vote for him. How he got re-elected is beyond me...and it really makes me want to throw all sympathy for the residents out of the window.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?

There have been several recent sighting of large flows breaking away in the news in the past year. Plus, there have been some fairly startling pictures of the retreat of year round ice on several mountains (I think Kilimanjaro in Africa is one of them).

I don't have the links but will post'em if I can find'em.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There have been several recent sighting of large flows breaking away in the news in the past year. Plus, there have been some fairly startling pictures of the retreat of year round ice on several mountains (I think Kilimanjaro in Africa is one of them).

I don't have the links but will post'em if I can find'em.

I read an article on Kilimanjaro as well recently. It claims that the rampant deforestation of the immediate and surrounding area's are responsible. It has caused the ground temp to rise because the sun now reaches the ground without any tree's, and............interesting

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?

Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.

I refuse to watch that movie.

Al Gore really irks me.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I refuse to watch that movie.

Al Gore really irks me.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Watch Al Gore's movie and you will see them.

Yeah, because movies are more trustworthy than scientists.

Especially movies made by insane people.

I love how every time Gore goes somewhere to speak about his global warming theories and how it's my fault, it's always abnormally snowing or cold. He spoke in New York a few years ago and they had a record blizzard when his speech was scheduled. In Boston, he "brought" record low temps for an event. He went to Australia last year and it snowed for the first time in decades for his speaking engagement.

I think that shows who's in charge of the weather...God. He also has a great sense of humor!

Al Gore rains on his party | Herald Sun

^A MUST-READ! :cheeky-sm

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've heard they are melting some and some say they have even grown sense the 1970's. Where have you seen that ice the size of a small countries are floating away?

Here are a couple of articles...

"Since 1979, the size of the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20 percent."
NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice

"The ice on the Upsala Glacier today...is retreating at least 180 ft. per year"
Global Warming Heats Up -- Sunday, Mar. 26, 2006 -- Page 1 -- TIME

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Here are a couple of articles...

"Since 1979, the size of the summer polar ice cap has shrunk more than 20 percent."
NRDC: Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice

"The ice on the Upsala Glacier today...is retreating at least 180 ft. per year"
Global Warming Heats Up -- Sunday, Mar. 26, 2006 -- Page 1 -- TIME

I clicked onto your first site and they circle where ice was but if you look to the left it looks like they forgot the new ice that has formed. I read its melting, getting thicker, is growing etc.. I guess one day we will find out if it happening or not. I know they said in the 70s that we where told abou global cooling.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I clicked onto your first site and they circle where ice was but if you look to the left it looks like they forgot the new ice that has formed. I read its melting, getting thicker, is growing etc.. I guess one day we will find out if it happening or not. I know they said in the 70s that we where told abou global cooling.

Yep.

Timeline of the EnvironMENTAList movement:

1960s - Hey man...pass that over here, dude...
1970s - It's COLD!
1980s - Hey, a volcano!
1990s - It's HOT!
2000s - No, it's not hot, it's cold, now it's hot, now...hey...we'll call it CLIMATE CHANGE to keep getting taxpayer-funded grants so we don't have to get real jobs!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I clicked onto your first site and they circle where ice was but if you look to the left it looks like they forgot the new ice that has formed. I read its melting, getting thicker, is growing etc.. I guess one day we will find out if it happening or not. I know they said in the 70s that we where told abou global cooling.

To the left all I saw was blue water and siberia.

If you are referring to the large lump of white to the right, that's Greenland - Two things about Greenland - (1) it doesn't count as part of the arctic ice cap and (2) being an island it doesn't melt.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

The polar ice caps are melting. Ice that has been frozen for over 10,000 years is melting. Ice the size of small countries is breaking away and floating south, where it will melt completely. That is proof that the average temperature is rising in that area.

The ice caps most likely play an important role in the oceans. Life on Earth could be drastically affected when the ice caps melt away. Don't make it seem like there is no reason to be worried.

That said, we can't do a damn thing about it. So smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

I have heard scientists say that the Arctic ice IS melting, but the Antarctic ice has gotten thicker. Perhaps the orbit has changed slightly or the axis has adjusted somehow. I don't know HOW that would happen, but it sounds like a reasonable explanation.

You're right though, there's nothing we can do to change this, mainly because there is nothing we did to cause it.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Buster

I have heard scientists say that the Arctic ice IS melting, but the Antarctic ice has gotten thicker. Perhaps the orbit has changed slightly or the axis has adjusted somehow. I don't know HOW that would happen, but it sounds like a reasonable explanation.

There is a big difference between the North pole and the South pole. Antarctica is a land mass (continent) covered in ice -- the Artic is not.

Also, a common misconception is that the Earth will be warmer EVERYWHERE as a result of global warming. You can't cite more ice in Antarctica as evidence against global warming. Much of the Earth's climate is influenced heavily by the ocean currents, and the absence of the ice caps will most likely affect the currents drastically. This effect could be a much colder planet, or much warmer. I don't think anyone is certain about it, yet.

Originally Posted by Buster

You're right though, there's nothing we can do to change this, mainly because there is nothing we did to cause it.

The jury is still out on that one.