The Return Of Cb Stability

[Misterbillysells]

thing is we have stability at the moment but springs could be gone in the next couple years we will be right back to where we started. We need to draft a young corner so that we have stability in the future no just for one season. We should draft leon hall so that by the time springs leaves we are still stacked at corner.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Misterbillysells

thing is we have stability at the moment but springs could be gone in the next couple years we will be right back to where we started. We need to draft a young corner so that we have stability in the future no just for one season. We should draft leon hall so that by the time springs leaves we are still stacked at corner.

So will be stacked at corner and still have no depth on the DL, depth at corner does nothing when the defensive line cant get any pressure

[Misterbillysells]

i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Misterbillysells

i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.

You cant be serious, we had what 16 sacks all year

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Misterbillysells

i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.

The problem is that we have depth-quality players in starting roles.

Don't kid yourself, this defensive line is atrocious. As someone else pointed out, 16 sacks -- by far the worst in the league -- and #27 against the run? Come on, what more proof do you need that these guys are old and ineffective? Griffin is probably OK as long as a young, pocket-collapsing renegade lines up next to him. But Salave'a might as well cash in his chips, the man can't hold up for 16 games anymore. Golston and Montgomery are long-term projects for #3 rotation spots at best. They aren't taking us anywhere.

Darrell Green in his prime, along with Champ, Smoot on his best day, and Rogers finally living up to his #9 overall billing won't matter one bit when the QB has all day to throw. Not to mention when those guys in the secondary are forced to make the tackle on a running play 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The defensive line is dreadful. Witness Tiki Barber's final performance at Fed Ex Field for proof positive of that.

[Misterbillysells]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is that we have depth-quality players in starting roles.

Don't kid yourself, this defensive line is atrocious. As someone else pointed out, 16 sacks -- by far the worst in the league -- and #27 against the run? Come on, what more proof do you need that these guys are old and ineffective? Griffin is probably OK as long as a young, pocket-collapsing renegade lines up next to him. But Salave'a might as well cash in his chips, the man can't hold up for 16 games anymore. Golston and Montgomery are long-term projects for #3 rotation spots at best. They aren't taking us anywhere.

Darrell Green in his prime, along with Champ, Smoot on his best day, and Rogers finally living up to his #9 overall billing won't matter one bit when the QB has all day to throw. Not to mention when those guys in the secondary are forced to make the tackle on a running play 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The defensive line is dreadful. Witness Tiki Barber's final performance at Fed Ex Field for proof positive of that.

I guess for me the big thing is that a year ago most people felt that our d-line was solid and that the addition of carter would only make it better. Then with injuries in secondary we were forced to back our defense off the line and blitz less so teams were able to gash us with the running game and we werent able to generate as much of pass rush. Suddenly we have a terrible d-line with no one worth keeping. Has our line really aged that much in one year? Or maybe was it the broader circumstance of the whole defensive scheme having to shift to cover our vunerability in the secondary. If we dont try to add young depth secondary we will be in the same situation as soon as springs leaves. Plan for the future and draft a corner. Dropping down in the draft to get both seems ideal but if not i think corner is still a more pressing long term problem than our d-line.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Misterbillysells

I guess for me the big thing is that a year ago most people felt that our d-line was solid and that the addition of carter would only make it better. Then with injuries in secondary we were forced to back our defense off the line and blitz less so teams were able to gash us with the running game and we werent able to generate as much of pass rush. Suddenly we have a terrible d-line with no one worth keeping. Has our line really aged that much in one year? Or maybe was it the broader circumstance of the whole defensive scheme having to shift to cover our vunerability in the secondary. If we dont try to add young depth secondary we will be in the same situation as soon as springs leaves. Plan for the future and draft a corner. Dropping down in the draft to get both seems ideal but if not i think corner is still a more pressing long term problem than our d-line.

Well, I didn't feel the D-line was solid last year. I didn't think it was solid in 2005 either, but it turned out to be enough. This franchise has feverishly avoided upgrading the defensive line for years. Kenard Lang was the last high pick at that position back in 1997 -- with a completely different front office. And nothing impressed me about Andre Carter -- he was a dud on a really bad San Fransisco team. I don't know what anyone should have expected from him.

The injuries you refer to was chiefly Shawn Springs. When he went down, we couldn't blitz because none of the other guys in the secondary couldn't hold things down on their own. When your entire pass rush hinges on a cornerback then you had big problems to begin with.

And yes, I do believe this line got old and bad in a hurry. That's not uncommon in this league. Neglecting to plant some seeds along the D-line was like setting the clock on a ticking time-bomb. And in 2006 that time- bomb went off. We couldn't stop anybody, and we couldn't get near the quarterback. Hell, we couldn't do that in 2004 or 2005 either, we had to blitz linebackers and safeties in order to do that! It was like lightening striking twice if one of our defensive lineman was able to sack the quarterback.

Some will say that Gregg Williams system is set up that way. Maybe so. But we saw what happens when the secondary can't cover anybody and the linebackers are forced to make the tackle 6 or 7 yards after the line of scrimmage. If you had any sort of pressure up front, your bad secondary could concentrate on staying with their receivers. Last year we had to lay off the blitz and there was ZERO pressure on the quarterback.

Result: #31 overall in defense. We can't count on Griffin, Salave'a, Golston and Montgomery for another year anymore than we could with another year of Mike Rumph, Kenny Wright, or Adam Archuleta. If we do nothing with the D-line, expect more bad defense for 2007.

[Daseal]

I see the starters as Rogers as our #1, and Smoot as our #2. We need to realize we can't have it both ways. We can't build through the draft and then expect our players to be NFL superstar caliber. Rogers is a damn good player, he had a couple bad games, he had a couple great games! Get off the man, he's only been in the league for two seasons! I also think we move Springs to safety when those two are on the field as starting corners. Gives us quite a ball-hawking secondary.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I see the starters as Rogers as our #1, and Smoot as our #2. We need to realize we can't have it both ways. We can't build through the draft and then expect our players to be NFL superstar caliber. Rogers is a damn good player, he had a couple bad games, he had a couple great games! Get off the man, he's only been in the league for two seasons! I also think we move Springs to safety when those two are on the field as starting corners. Gives us quite a ball-hawking secondary.

I dont hate Carlos Rogers, and I actually supported him pretty strongly, but i just dont think hes better than Smoot, and i think he will be a fine nickel back until Springs gets cut or retires. But with that said, Carlos did have one of the worst years i have ever seen for a CB.

[MTK]

Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.

Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?

He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Crat92

He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.

Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game

And your point is..................?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?

The big knock on him is he takes plays off and lack a high motor. He's huge though and takes up space, sounds like another Big Daddy to me.