What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?

No! Rocky hasn't even had a chance to play. It's the coaches job to get this guy ready to play. If Rocky isn't ready then let Marshall move back to his natural position. Marshall played weakside on a top 5 defense in 04. Guy played very well while Lavar was hurt. Do any of the defensive coaches who are making a ton of $ realize this?

Plus why do we always chase other teams players? How about rewarding guys who play well for you? Look what SF did w/ Gore? They tore up his contact and gave him 14 mil guar. Why aren't we doing this w/ Cooley?

I swear I wish we would get Floyd Reese or someone who knows what the hell they are doing. We don't have anyone in our FO who has a clue about what it takes to win in today's NFL.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?

I have sat here and thought should I respond or shouldn't I. the dumber side of me outweighted the reason side, so here goes :

1) I for one have been a strong supporter of the proposed deal. We get a lower 1st round pick, which the FO has said they wanted to do. I believe we could get a quality DT at the bottom of the draft.

2) We get a 26 year old probowl LB. I for one think, outside of Marcus, our LB play was horrible last year.

I have and always will be one of the fans who can't stand the way the FO runs this team. As far as overpaying for marginal talent, or unproven talent. But, when it comes to Briggs he is far from marginal. 26, one of the best as his position, a playmaker, arriving his prime, high motor, plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just feel last year we didn't have that swagger that we had to two previous years. Adding Briggs may get some of that back.

Now, bad side -

1) Rocky will be on the bench. We would have wasted 2 draft picks on him if we sign Briggs.
2) money. Briggs will get BIG money
3) chemistry. We will have to get rid of some players that are good locker room, role player type guys that contribute.

I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out. I just feel from a football stand point he is a major upgrade. I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.

[CallMeGreen]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

...I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out....
I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.

Excellent overall post. Some very well-stated opinions.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I have sat here and thought should I respond or shouldn't I. the dumber side of me outweighted the reason side, so here goes :

1) I for one have been a strong supporter of the proposed deal. We get a lower 1st round pick, which the FO has said they wanted to do. I believe we could get a quality DT at the bottom of the draft.

2) We get a 26 year old probowl LB. I for one think, outside of Marcus, our LB play was horrible last year.

I have and always will be one of the fans who can't stand the way the FO runs this team. As far as overpaying for marginal talent, or unproven talent. But, when it comes to Briggs he is far from marginal. 26, one of the best as his position, a playmaker, arriving his prime, high motor, plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just feel last year we didn't have that swagger that we had to two previous years. Adding Briggs may get some of that back.

Now, bad side -

1) Rocky will be on the bench. We would have wasted 2 draft picks on him if we sign Briggs.
2) money. Briggs will get BIG money
3) chemistry. We will have to get rid of some players that are good locker room, role player type guys that contribute.

I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out. I just feel from a football stand point he is a major upgrade. I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.

I think it's purely debatable whether Birggs is actually a major upgrade or not. First off, you can't just isolate his past performance in a vacuum. He was one player on one of the top two or three defenses in the NFL.

Secondly, he has to learn a new system here, and how many times do we have to see a guy excel in one place only to flop somewhere else. Until Briggs comes here and absolutely shows out on the field, I will not be convinced that he's any significant upgrade. I'm done with all of these paper upgrades.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think it's purely debatable whether Birggs is actually a major upgrade or not. First off, you can't just isolate his past performance in a vacuum. He was one player on one of the top two or three defenses in the NFL.

Secondly, he has to learn a new system here, and how many times do we have to see a guy excel in one place only to flop somewhere else. Until Briggs comes here and absolutely shows out on the field, I will not be convinced that he's any significant upgrade. I'm done with all of these paper upgrades.

good point, but all the players we have on D have had to learn this system. only Arch apparently couldn't learn it.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

good point, but all the players we have on D have had to learn this system. only Arch apparently couldn't learn it.

But why chance it? I mean, is he really that much better than Rocky? As far as I'm concerned, the minute he puts on burgundy and gold, he and Rocky are on equal ground. Rocky's been in the system for a year, had a solid outing toward the end of the season, and surely has his eyes on starting this year.

As I've said previously, unless Briggs is out of this world and clearly, clearly beats out Rocky, why are we making this trade? Is he really that good?

[Schneed10]

My problems:

1) This move buries Rocky McIntosh in the depth chart. He looked promising when he got on the field to me.

2) Briggs is going to cost a lot, which impacts us THIS YEAR. We'll have to cut Wynn this season to accomodate Briggs. Wynn is liked in the locker room. I worry how that will affect player morale.

3) Briggs' cap hit won't be terrible in 07 or 08, but in 09 it's going to get huge. We can deal with it, but it's just more problems.

4) D line is a much bigger need than LB. Kedric Golston is not a run stopper.

5) If we're going to make this deal, at least wait until we're on the clock at 6. If Peterson or Quinn are there at 6, I bet you a thousand dollars we can get a better offer than Briggs and the 31. If nobody calls, then I'd prefer just picking Okoye at 6. But if we trade for Briggs, at least we will have given the league a chance to blow us away with an offer for Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson.

The whole move reeks of stupidity.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

You guys do realize that we would have to pay that 6th overall pick about the same as Briggs right. So don't tell me about spending to much money. Number 6 is going to make alot of money and we don't even know if he can play.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

You guys do realize that we would have to pay that 6th overall pick about the same as Briggs right. So don't tell me about spending to much money. Number 6 is going to make alot of money and we don't even know if he can play.

That is categorically incorrect.

Last year, the 6th pick, Vernon Davis of the 49ers, got $14 million in guaranteed money, and his deal was worth a total of $5 million per season over 5 years.

Briggs is rumored to be getting $20 million in guarantees, and a total of $7.5 million per season.

Not to mention we still have to pay #31 on top of it - though I'll grant you that if #31 pans out as a good player, he'll be a bargain at what we're paying him.

But the real value isn't keeping the #6 pick, the real value is trading down to get away from the #6 pick dollars, and pay a lower 1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd rounder to fill the multiple gaps we have.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Ok sorry schneed. I still don't think this deal is to terrible. I'm not going to get all upset if it is done. I've put to much emotion into the Redskins offseason these past few years and I'm tired of it at this point I'm at the point where I don't care just let me go to some games next year and watch them win and then on to the Superbowl. lol

[redsk1]

No question Briggs is a great player, but let's say b/c of Brigg's big salary we had to cut Marcus Washington next year or couldn't afford to pay Cooley next year. What we do now affects how we handle our guys in years to come.

We have enough talent at LB!!! Get some other help. We gave away the house to get Rocky. Let him play unless he's totally incompetent.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redsk1

No question Briggs is a great player, but let's say b/c of Brigg's big salary we had to cut Marcus Washington next year or couldn't afford to pay Cooley next year. What we do now affects how we handle our guys in years to come.

We have enough talent at LB!!! Get some other help. We gave away the house to get Rocky. Let him play unless he's totally incompetent.

Briggs' deal isn't going to break the cap for us next year. As people have already mentioned the #6 pick isn't going to come cheap either.

[MTK]

I hope people realize that trading down is no guarantee. It seems like every year there's all this pre-draft hype of teams wheeling and dealing and draft day comes and very little happens in the 1st round as far as trades.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us trade down and pick up more picks, but it's not quite as easy as some seem to think.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us trade down and pick up more picks, but it's not quite as easy as some seem to think.

I agree with this, but it becomes a lot more likely to happen if Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson were sitting there at 6 when we're on the clock.

Which is why I can't understand why we'd make a move before we're actually on the clock. Who knows, we could get amazing value.

And besides, if given the choice between Briggs and the #31, and standing pat at #6 and picking, I'd choose standing pat and picking at #6. Okoye would fill a much bigger need for us than Briggs does.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree with this, but it becomes a lot more likely to happen if Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson were sitting there at 6 when we're on the clock.

Which is why I can't understand why we'd make a move before we're actually on the clock. Who knows, we could get amazing value.

And besides, if given the choice between Briggs and the #31, and standing pat at #6 and picking, I'd choose standing pat and picking at #6. Okoye would fill a much bigger need for us than Briggs does.

I agree but it just seems like some people keep trumpeting this idea of trading down like it's a simple thing to do.

Personally I'd rather hold on to the #6 pick too and see what shakes out on draft day.