Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK fine, he wants to be paid like a starting QB, that's fine. But if Brady Quinn thinks he can dictate the market value for starting QBs in their rookie season who are drafted in the 20s of the first round, he's got another thing coming.

Let's say Brady Quinn thinks he's going to start for a long time. Jason Campbell's starting for a long time for us, he was drafted 25th. He's getting $8 million over 5 years with a signing bonus of less than $1 million.

Aaron Rodgers didn't get much more than that. Explain to me what leg Quinn has to stand on if he's trying to ask for much more than that?

You can think you're a starter and a franchise QB all you want, but the market is what guides your value. The Browns have no reason to rush Quinn into action in his rookie season; it's not like he's going to be their savior this year. The Browns have all the leverage here, and Quinn's grasping at straws.

Quinn has no legs to stand on but that shouldn't preclude him and his agent from trying. If I was the owner I would tell him to go suck a d*ck! Plain, simple and to the point, though crude.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

Same situation as Aaron Rogers. Thought to be drafted high and slipped to the 20's. Was Aaron Rogers paid like a number 1 pick (Where he could have gone) I dont think so. So Quinn shut up get your ass in camp and play for the number 22 pick money.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

I'm with you. He should get paid for where he was drafted. That's how it works. If I was Cle I would let him sit the whole year. Release the contract that was offered. Show that it is right bewteen the 21 and 23 picks and then let him be the total douche. This is stupid.

[12thMan]

Oh shit...too many beers...ummm...I thinking about that asshole Leinert. (sp)
Funny...damn!! You guys know what I mean!!!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Oh shit...too many beers...ummm...I thinking about that asshole Leinert. (sp)
Funny...damn!! You guys know what I mean!!!

Well one thing's for damn sure... Leinart is a major asshole!

[12thMan]

you know that's one of the things i think i appreciate about the skins under gibbs. i honestly think these guys want to win and care about the team and the city. for the most part this seems like a pretty level headed bunch.

i can't really think of one guy i would consider an asshole on the skins...

[12thMan]

....then again, lloyd is pretty close. the jury's still out on him...

[Cowell]

The way I look at situations like this is that a player shouldn't hold out until he proves himself in the NFL. Then again we are talking about maybe one of the most desperate franchises in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Isn't Condon notorious for doing this though?

I mean, yeah, I'm sure Quinn would like to be in camp and hes taking a PR hit by not being in camp, but I think theres a reason hes staying out of the negotiation process. It's a no win situation for him. The market value for a franchise QB is much higher than the market value of the 22nd pick, so when both sides have leverage, shit like this happens. Quinn, and QBs in general are unlikely to hold out at any point because they have so much value to the team so he has to get a better than market value contract now while he still has leverage.

In a month, this will all be water under the bridge anyway.

[12thMan]

Good point, GT. Now that I think about it, some of this has to do with Russell still holding out. What I mean is, I'm sure Condon is slotting his client right behind Russell to see what kind of deal he's going to get, and possibly bring Quinn within striking distance of that.

[saden1]

Why is it that people think ill of someone for trying to get the maximum they possibly can? Unless you are foolish, I bet every single person in here would be making the same business decision Quinn is making. If the Browns don't want to pay him what he is asking for they should let him sit the fuck out.

I subscribe to Business 101...get paid the most amount of money doing the least amount of work.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

Why is it that people think ill of someone for trying to get the maximum they possibly can? Unless you are foolish, I bet every single person in here would be making the same business decision Quinn is making. If the Browns don't want to pay him what he is asking for they should let him sit the fuck out.

I subscribe to Business 101...get paid the most amount of money doing the least amount of work.

No, no, no...bro I'm with the biz 101 thing - trust me. But where do you draw the line? Let's face it, Quinn is going to get paid, but then he has to line up on Sunday and make the city of Cleveland fall in love with the Browns again. That's not a business decision, that's a heart thing. Where's the line is what I'm asking?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, no, no...bro I'm with the biz 101 thing - trust me. But where do you draw the line?

The line is drawn when there is compromise. If he doesn't want to compromise let his ass sit out and watch TV.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Let's face it, Quinn is going to get paid, but then he has to line up on Sunday and make the city of Cleveland fall in love with the Browns again. That's not a business decision, that's a heart thing. Where's the line is what I'm asking?

What happens if he doesn't produce? He'll get kicked to the curb. There is no love in the NFL, all people care about is winning. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to get people excited but your first priority is to get paid. Once that's out of the way then flirty with "love." If "love" wasn't meant to be, you still got paid

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

Why is it that people think ill of someone for trying to get the maximum they possibly can? Unless you are foolish, I bet every single person in here would be making the same business decision Quinn is making. If the Browns don't want to pay him what he is asking for they should let him sit the fuck out.

I subscribe to Business 101...get paid the most amount of money doing the least amount of work.

I agree 100% with your description of Business 101 when it comes to 99.9999% of the population. I don't think, however, that Quinn, as an NFL QB, is being particularly smart about the matter. As an NFL rookie who will likely be asked to step in and start a few games this season at the game's most demanding position, he probably should get into camp as fast as possible. I can understand wanting to get paid like a star now, but I just question whether his desire for a great rookie contract is going to affect his on-field performance, development, etc. and eventually cost him $ when his rookie deal expires.

[IrishSkins Fan]

Let me first say that I'm a huge ND fan, and I loved Quinn when he was our QB. He was great for us, and I agree that he probably should have been a top ten pick, although it pisses me off that he and his agent are holding to this perception in their negotiations. What a bunch of shit...I'm sure we all perceive ourselves to be in higher pay grades. While perception is reality in some cases in America this is not one. I agree with all those who posted before saying he hasn't proven shit...and until he does he should take 22nd pick money.

I guess I also see a problem in general with the NFL in this respect, so much of the precious cap money is wasted on shitty ass college prospects that take their first big check and turn into non productive, fat, complaining, bitching, fighting, whining, wastes of money. I mean there is a laundry list of Ryan Leaf's and Lendale White's out there that are dead money for teams...

Ok, time for another beer, I will step down off my soapbox and defer to the kind Gentlemen from elsewhere.

WAR ND
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC
God Bless America....and I'm out....