One Decision Overlooked!

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I know you can challenge a spot when a player is getting tackled, but can you challenge a spot when they're diving out of bounds?

I'm pretty sure you can. I don't see why not.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I know you can challenge a spot when a player is getting tackled, but can you challenge a spot when they're diving out of bounds?

Yes you can cause we challenged that exact thing in 2004 sunday night game against the Eagles and that play if he just looks at McCardell we have a 20 to 25 yard gain but you know what we were 3-2 in 2005 and made the playoffs. A win this week and we are back on tracik but we have to win this week. Cause we are now 3rd with the Giants winning.

[The Zimmermans]

I know Troy Aikman is a homer cowboy....but he was effective in pointing out the redskin's flaws all day.............secondary doesnt look at the ball.......coaches had poor clock management......

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

In all of this there was one decesion by the Coaching staff that still eats away at me. It wasn't the play calling which for the most part was good. We weren't conservative we went for the kill a bunch, we had a good mix.

The one thing that eats away at me which I think a bunch of people overlooked. The Pass to Cooley on 3rd and 7. He clearly got within a yard of the first down, but they gave a horrible spot. Now I understand if you don't want to challenge becuase you might risk a timeout. But why in the World do you call a Timeout instead of Challenge? Make no sense in the World. You might get the extra yard and a free timeout. What is the worst that will happen you lose a timeout, well you just freakin called one instead. Absolutely morronic, that just make me wonder what in the world is going on.

I'm not questioning the play calling or game plan because I thought it was great, we just didn't execute in critical situations.

Also second straight time Thrash gets called for Garabge that could have changed a game.

I mentioned the Cooley spot on an earlier thread. It should have been 4th and about half a yard instead of 4th and 1 1/2. I totally agree that Gibbs and our 20 other coaches screwed up that none of them saw fit to push for a challenge. This referee crew was perhaps the worst we saw all season. They missed obvious calls both ways (Bubba Franks should have had a TD with a force out after the Portis fumble).

[skinsfan242]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I mentioned the Cooley spot on an earlier thread. It should have been 4th and about half a yard instead of 4th and 1 1/2. I totally agree that Gibbs and our 20 other coaches screwed up that none of them saw fit to push for a challenge. This referee crew was perhaps the worst we saw all season. They missed obvious calls both ways (Bubba Franks should have had a TD with a force out after the Portis fumble).

I don't think that was a force out, the CB clearly has to prevent you from coming down in bounds, he could have still got a toe in and didn't so it was the right call.

The worst call of the Game was on Thrash what was he suppose to Do Woodson was trying to tackle him and he was trying to get free, absoultely game changing horrible call.

I don't fault the reverse call, remember sometimes on a wet field the defense goes one way a slips then he is off to the races, they just played it well.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

I don't think that was a force out, the CB clearly has to prevent you from coming down in bounds, he could have still got a toe in and didn't so it was the right call.

The worst call of the Game was on Thrash what was he suppose to Do Woodson was trying to tackle him and he was trying to get free, absoultely game changing horrible call.

I don't fault the reverse call, remember sometimes on a wet field the defense goes one way a slips then he is off to the races, they just played it well.

I totally agree on the ridiculous double call on Thrash and Woodson. Woodson was holding Thrash with BOTH hands TEN yards downfield, and the ref also calls Thrash for PI just for breaking free??? That was a huge call that prevented the Skins from probably going up by 10 or 14 points early in the 2nd half.

I still maintain my stance against the reverse - the most likely guy to slip on a wet field when the reverse is called is the ball carrier, because he's going full speed and has to make the hardest cut to turn the ball upfield. Lastly, I hate it when Saunders has to revert to trickery when we're driving with momentum.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I still maintain my stance against the reverse - the most likely guy to slip on a wet field when the reverse is called is the ball carrier, because he's going full speed and has to make the hardest cut to turn the ball upfield. Lastly, I hate it when Saunders has to revert to trickery when we're driving with momentum.

Of course had it worked we'd all be hailing Saunders as a genius for calling a play nobody would have expected.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Of course had it worked we'd all be hailing Saunders as a genius for calling a play nobody would have expected.

Exactly. People need to lay off the hate. If our players executed we would have won the game. Easily. Stop finding easy excuses people.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I must have repressed this memory because I went ape-shit over us not challenging that spot, especially after we used a timeout anyway!

I think that might have been the point in the game when my sister left the room and said she refuses to ever watch another game with me (I getting a little vocal with the
TV).

It's not like we should have been afraid to waste a challenge because it was so late in the game and we were using our 2nd timeout anyways. I really feel like most coaches would have tossed out the red flag just to be sure and it really pisses me off that gibbs didn't.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I must have repressed this memory because I went ape-shit over us not challenging that spot, especially after we used a timeout anyway!

I think that might have been the point in the game when my sister left the room and said she refuses to ever watch another game with me (I getting a little vocal with the
TV).

It's not like we should have been afraid to waste a challenge because it was so late in the game and we were using our 2nd timeout anyways. I really feel like most coaches would have tossed out the red flag just to be sure and it really pisses me off that gibbs didn't.

I was pretty animated also, starting with the simultaneous posession that should have been a Campbell completion, then the idiotic reverse call on a wet track, but especially that horrible spot. Is it just me or do Gibbs and our other offensive coaches seem to go clueless at crunch time? Whether it's time management or an obvious challenge like that spot, we just seem to have a Chinese fire drill on the sidelines when we need calm, cool decision making in the crunch. At least our 25 year old QB seems to be cool under fire.

[MTK]

It was the right call to go for it. A 50 yard attempt on a sloppy track would have been dumb.

[Sean Taylor]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It was the right call to go for it. A 50 yard attempt on a sloppy track would have been dumb.

Yeah but you have to be able to make those to be a wildcard team. I know its a double edged sword........

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor

Yeah but you have to be able to make those to be a wildcard team. I know its a double edged sword........

not true.....a wildcard team would not have attempted that.....maybe a 25% chance suisham hits that....and a 30% chance of a bad snap or fumble.....rabach wasnt even in

[Hail2em]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

not true.....a wildcard team would not have attempted that.....maybe a 25% chance suisham hits that....and a 30% chance of a bad snap or fumble.....rabach wasnt even in

rabach isn't the long snapper.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It was the right call to go for it. A 50 yard attempt on a sloppy track would have been dumb.

I think if you felt that your team couldn't get one and a half yards running between the tackles, you should have kicked the field goal.

Now, that doesn't mean I thought we should have run between the tackles without thinking about it. 4th and short is usually a great time to go to the end zone off play action. The point is that we obviously didn't think we would get the first down if we ran between that tackles. Or at least Saunders didn't. That's why we ran a combination route to Betts in the flat.

Here's how the sideline conversation should have gone:

Gibbs: "What do you think about running Portis off the left guard here?"

Saunders: "I think that they will be ready for it, and I don't trust the injured line to get a push."

Gibbs then sends out the field goal unit.

Or it could have gone like this:

Gibbs: "What do you think about running Portis off the left guard here?"

Saunders: "Could work, but I'd like to take a shot now. If they bite, we could win the game right here."

And Gibbs sends out the offense.

Instead we pretty much spend two timeouts and run the worst play call possible. And Campbell too, he shouldn't throw that pass when it clearly isn't there. Come off that guy and go to your second read.

Now, that isn't what lost us the game at all, but still a major f-up by the offensive coaching staff.