Is The NFC East Back?

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We may have lost to GB, but there's no way you can convince me they are a better team.

agreed 100% with this, if we played them 2 more times, we would win both. im sure of it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We may have lost to GB, but there's no way you can convince me they are a better team.

I think what tends to happen is we all think our team is better than what they really are. If we were a really good team (this includes coaching too) we don't blow a 14 point lead at home to the NYG. Good teams simply don't do that. Good teams don't drop passes that kill drives. Good teams don't struggle with a bad Miami team at home. Good teams don't constantly fumble. Good teams don't burn timeouts in the 2nd half of games to think about what play to run on 4th down.

Honestly, right now, we are just an average football team. I know people don't want to hear it but it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. With that being said if we can cut out the stupid mistakes then we can be a good team and maybe even a playoff team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think what tends to happen is we all think our team is better than what they really are. If we were a really good team (this includes coaching too) we don't blow a 14 point lead at home to the NYG. Good teams simply don't do that. Good teams don't drop passes that kill drives. Good teams don't struggle with a bad Miami team at home. Good teams don't constantly fumble. Good teams don't burn timeouts in the 2nd half of games to think about what play to run on 4th down.

Honestly, right now, we are just an average football team. I know people don't want to hear it but it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. With that being said if we can cut out the stupid mistakes then we can be a good team and maybe even a playoff team.

But we are still VERY good at throwing the football. Drops happen in a game of football. Sometimes it happens more than others. Sometimes, the timing of plays are disrupted consistently by one player (in this case, Kampman) and it throws off the entire rhythm of the offense.

Few teams have LEs as good as Kampman and it was clear that neither Wade nor Heyer could handle him on that day.

How many teams are we going to play this year that will break down our pass pro the way Kampman did? Speed rushers have done crap against us this year. They try to go around Samuels and he makes them look foolish. They get out of their lanes, and Campbell escapes.

We don't play Tennessee, we don't play Kansas City, we don't play Pittsburgh. Do you think NE is going to get a bunch of pressure against us? I doubt it. Campbell has to make it his job to not leave the pocket just because it helped against GB. Makes the throw longer and disrupts the timing of the routes.

Moss will rebound if he's healthy, no doubt about it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But we are still VERY good at throwing the football. Drops happen in a game of football. Sometimes it happens more than others. Sometimes, the timing of plays are disrupted consistently by one player (in this case, Kampman) and it throws off the entire rhythm of the offense.

Few teams have LEs as good as Kampman and it was clear that neither Wade nor Heyer could handle him on that day.

How many teams are we going to play this year that will break down our pass pro the way Kampman did? Speed rushers have done crap against us this year. They try to go around Samuels and he makes them look foolish. They get out of their lanes, and Campbell escapes.

We don't play Tennessee, we don't play Kansas City, we don't play Pittsburgh. Do you think NE is going to get a bunch of pressure against us? I doubt it. Campbell has to make it his job to not leave the pocket just because it helped against GB. Makes the throw longer and disrupts the timing of the routes.

Moss will rebound if he's healthy, no doubt about it.

Like I said, good teams catch the ball in crucial situations. Some of those balls were right in ARE and Moss' hands and they just didn't catch the ball. This has been going on all year. These are the guys that are getting paid alot of $. Plax. Burress doesn't practice all week and comes in and he is killing people.

Good teams make the adjustments and have someone stay in and help out on Kampman. I didn't see anyone helping Wade or Heyer. Why didn't we make an adjustment in that situation? If you have a rookie FA LT coming in to play RT on a top pass rusher who was killing Wade, common sense tells me Heyer might need a little help. Don't ya think? Send 4 guys out in the pattern and have a back stay in and help out. These are things our high priced coaching staff should have easily figured out.

Also all the confusion on the sidelines is just silly. How much more of this do we have to look at? We are always burning time outs in the 2nd half of games when we shouldn't be. Gibbs use to be the master at all this stuff and now he just doesn't do a damn thing. IMO Sanders needs to be on the sidelines calling the plays. I think that would help out a little bit.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Good teams make the adjustments and have someone stay in and help out on Kampman. I didn't see anyone helping Wade or Heyer. Why didn't we make an adjustment in that situation? If you have a rookie FA LT coming in to play RT on a top pass rusher who was killing Wade, common sense tells me Heyer might need a little help. Don't ya think? Send 4 guys out in the pattern and have a back stay in and help out. These are things our high priced coaching staff should have easily figured out.

Sometimes you just have to trust your guy to get the job done. Saunders playbook may be seven hundred pages thick, but like every other coach, he's limited to the amount he can put in for a game by the amount of practice time he has. If 50% of the gameplan relies on Cooley attacking the defense, then he loses 50% of the gameplan by keeping him in to help Heyer/Wade.

We were pretty successful in protecting the QB when we helped on Kampman, but then no one was getting open (either that or Campbell missed them). It's sort of a double edged sword. The best way to approach it is to mix it up like we did and help Heyer sometimes, but not to often. As long as you keep them off balance, you give yourself a chance to be successful even when you have a matchup deficiency.

[hagams]

I don't think that any teams in the East is better than any other teams right now. The Cowboys are playing big-time football (Com'on, it was New England that beat them.) Skins and Giants are starting to show more life and the ability to win games, but I'm not overly convinced that we are a top team in the NFC no matter what the record says. We are without a doubt 100% better than last year, but that's like saying were the head cashier at Wal-Mart. Sounds good, but don't mean anything.
We are a top 10 NFL team, and could be higher, we just need to find a way to win more of the close ones.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by hagams

Skins and Giants are starting to show more life and the ability to win games

No disrespect intended, I concur with the Giants statement, but how can you justify your statement that the Skins "are starting to show more life and the ability to win games" when they have lost 2 of thier last 3 games? Not to mention they were leading at halftime in those 2 losses.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

No disrespect intended, I concur with the Giants statement, but how can you justify your statement that the Skins "are starting to show more life and the ability to win games" when they have lost 2 of thier last 3 games? Not to mention they were leading at halftime in those 2 losses.

you have a point but let me explain. the skins defense has been outstanding especially the last few games. our offense looked terrible last week againsed green bay but dont expect santana moss to ever have a game like that again. a very bad game, but yes the skins are improving.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

you have a point but let me explain. the skins defense has been outstanding especially the last few games. our offense looked terrible last week againsed green bay but dont expect santana moss to ever have a game like that again. a very bad game, but yes the skins are improving.

I have no arguement with the defense, to surrender only 5 TD's in 5 games is outstanding.

You wanna know why the defense was SO dominating against the Lions? That huge number your offense put on the board.

The way the offense played against Detroit enabled the defense to play RELAXED in the second half and just MAKE PLAYS. I'll go even further and say that the defense was just plain HAVING FUN playing football!

But when the score is so close in the second half, defenses take fewer risks and lack agressiveness. A short lead puts added pressure on the defense to keep the team in the game, they take fewer aggresive risks on plays. It is like they are playing "not to lose" instead of "playing to win".

Not blaming the defense here, not at all. But the offense needs to be more consistent to take some of that pressure off of the defense.

[hucapn]

How can the NFC be back when they never went anywhere? We consistently have three or four playoff caliber squads every year. No other division can say that. Not the AFC east, AFC North, NFC south, or AFC West. We already know how bad the NFC west is (personally, I don't even think they deserve an autonmatic playoff spot out there but that's another post).
The Giants are Super Bowl Champions, The Cowboys are the most talented team in the NFC, The Eagles defense is top five, and the Redskins are playing POSSESSED FOOTBALL... I LOVE IT!!! No other division has four teams top to bottom that can compete in any game anywhere on sunday

[MTK]

Good teams do lose games to lesser opponents on occassion, I think people tend to forget that at times.

Other than the fumble return for a TD and that big pass play to Lee, the Packers did absolutely nothing all day.

As for the Giants I think we're starting to see that their 0-2 start was more of a fluke than anything.

The Skins beat themselves last week. I simply don't buy that Green Bay is a better team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Skins beat themselves last week. I simply don't buy that Green Bay is a better team.

In addition, I think I team can beat itself without acutally playing bad.

In a game in which not a lot of points are scored, a few fluky plays can decide a game. That's why I am generally a proponent of big passing offense. I don't like to leave the outcome of a game to chance.

Although the passing offense is the strength of our team, we are still a pretty balanced offense. We just don't generate big plays in the running game.

In this case, two plays were enough to do us in, when all the other actions that occured in that game would have resulted in a Redskin win. Did we get any fluky plays to fall our way? Well some calls in the end zone on that Green Bay drive went for us, but nothing like the unfortuante inability to not ever recover a fumble.

Not only is this stuff correctable, but it doesn't really even need to be corrected. We just need to keep playing like we have been and good things will happen. Holding on to the ball doesn't hurt though.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

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In a game in which not a lot of points are scored, a few fluky plays can decide a game. That's why I am generally a proponent of big passing offense. I don't like to leave the outcome of a game to chance.
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Tripp, I believe you're onto something there. With Gibbs's conservative approach, there is very little margin for error. Only occasionally do we score more than 2 TDs in a game anymore, so giving one up on offense or special teams is usually a killer.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Good teams do lose games to lesser opponents on occassion, I think people tend to forget that at times.

Other than the fumble return for a TD and that big pass play to Lee, the Packers did absolutely nothing all day.

As for the Giants I think we're starting to see that their 0-2 start was more of a fluke than anything.

The Skins beat themselves last week. I simply don't buy that Green Bay is a better team.

As a Skins fan, I don't think Green Bay is a better team either. But they are two games in front of us, and are 3-0 against our division. Like it or not, right now they are better.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The New York Giants: 4-2 The Giants, in my mind, could be the scariest team, not just in the NFC, but in all of football. At the beginning of the season I picked them to finish dead last, but carefully hedged myself by saying this is a team easily capable of winning it all - and I still believe that. .

That's funny as hell to me. They could be the scariest team in all of football, yet you picked them to finish "dead last," but "carefully hedged by saying they are easily capable of winning it all." HUH??????? Doesn't make much sense to me.