Generational thing

[djnemo65]

Let me add that any other coach would have gotten crushed and probably fired after last season's disappointment. I think Skins fans were pretty gracious in blaming everything on Archuletta instead.

[MTRedskinsFan]

Wow! This is maybe the most well-reasoned thread discussion since I became a member. Great post from Soupermeister, freddyg and djnemo65.

Here's my one question: if Gibbs excelled at building a dominant O-line in his first tenure, why have we lacked that in this go around? Last year saw a pretty good O-line (because there were no injuries), but you can't really say the line has been totally dominant during Gibbs' second tenure.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Wow! This is maybe the most well-reasoned thread discussion since I became a member. Great post from Soupermeister, freddyg and djnemo65.

Here's my one question: if Gibbs excelled at building a dominant O-line in his first tenure, why have we lacked that in this go around? Last year saw a pretty good O-line (because there were no injuries), but you can't really say the line has been totally dominant during Gibbs' second tenure.

Because before free agency

1. 17 rounds in the NFL draft
2. Once drafted, a player was dedicated to that team until he retired, was traded, or cut.
3. Roster size wasn't limited to 53 (You could have 70+; in other words a huge ass practice squad= more depth)
4. No Salary Cap (Washington was the second highest paid franchise in the 80's behind SF)
5. 28 NFL teams opposed to 32. (More talent to spread out over less teams)

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach. He knows football. He didn't forget it, and he never will. I don't believe people who say, "the game has passed him by." I don't think that's possible, unless he has become senile -- which he is not.

Nobody should question whether Gibbs can do it. I'm not saying he's beyond questioning, but to question his ability is ridiculous. Question his decisions, but don't question his ability.

I give Gibbs A LOT of leeway, and I didn't get to experience much of his success during his first tenure with the Skins. The reason I give Gibbs leeway is that he has already proven himself. He knows football. There's passing, rushing, defense, and special teams. Guess what? That hasn't changed since '91.

People who say the game has changed too much are making the argument that somebody (Gibbs) who proved he knew more than most about football, now knows nothing. You really believe the game has changed that much? Whatever.

When Gibbs came back to Washington the team was in shambles. Poor decisions were made every year since he left, and that affected the team. You can't undo those decisions, and you can't fix them overnight. It takes time. He's had to fix over 10 years worth of poor decisions, and I think he's done quite well doing that in just 3 years.

[JWsleep]

I definitely give Gibbs more slack than I would other coaches--I saw what he did before, and how he did it. I'm not adverse to criticizing him, but he gets the benefit of the doubt with me--I feel like he earned it here the first time round.

That being said, things need to pick up on the offensive side of the ball, and the FO must learn from the AA/Lloyd debacles. Drafting and a more moderate, focused FA approach is warranted.

(Note: if we get pounded in NE, that is not to be taken as a sign that Gibbs should go! Everyone is getting smacked by them. But I think the playoffs are a must this year.)

[skinsnut]

Gibbs is'nt as conservative as many believe.
He would pull the trigger several times in his first go round...but that was because of field position and confidence in the running game

Yes, playcalling has been tight now, but that is because we are in tight games with a poor line with minimal WR talent and a very young QB.
Where's the confidence to go nuts?

Remember, he's seen what works and what doesn't in the NFL.
I trust his gut decisions most of the time...based on talent and momentum.
I thought it was sweet to go deep in philly to moss to seal the game...he just missed it...
Those are the kind of plays that we dont make now...remember the sacrifice in missing this stuff is the clock stops, you have to punt and play defense again....as you recall, we almost lost that game because of that.

It's really a matter of OLINE domination. If he had that, he'd be much more agressive.
Ironically, it is because the line is SOO bad right now, that he will be forced to pass first because chances of driving the ball on the ground are quite slim.
I think this game is really going to show us what 2 solid offensive minds can do with a run first team with a decimated line against a top defense knowing they need to score at least 3 TD's to survive.

I am going to watch this game with an outsiders view.
The offensive strategy for the skins is going to change for this game.
If it doesn't.....expect me to bail on the Gibbs bandwagon

[rypper11]

I was hoping for an age and when became a fan on posts to get a sense of what I perceive to be a generational gap.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I was hoping for an age and when became a fan on posts to get a sense of what I perceive to be a generational gap.

I don't think it would matter bud(generational gap). The older fans in their mid 30's and up would remember Gibbs I, and the younger fans just want a consistent winner, and have been spoon fed about the glory days of Gibbs I. Either way, the expectations are going to be high regardless of the age of the fans in here. Us older guys want Gibbs I glory returned and the younger guys just want a consistent winner and we all think a HOF HC should be able to deliver. So far Gibbs II has been mediocre.

[GusFrerotte]

Gibbs I offense was run n gun if you will. An emphasis on the running game combined with a nice vertical passing game to complement it. I don't give Gibbs much slack since his offense is nothing like Gibbs I. We have all the tools to make another go with the Gibbs I type offense, but just don't do it. Last couple years the problem was supposedly the noodle arm of MB, now we see it is a bigger more fundamental problem in the play calling area, along with just poor play on the part of the WR Corp. I don't give Gibbs much slack BECAUSE OF WHAT I REMEMBER OF GIBBS I, not because I don't remember it!!! Hard nosed running combined with a potent vertical passing attack gave us the most potent offense of the early to mid 80's. WE only see a hollow shell of it today. Gibbs I spoiled us to be honest, but even so, what is going on recently with the offense is disgusting. No 100 yard game for CP yet( Did he hit 100 against Miami?) and the last game JC didn't even hit 100 yards passing, and against a weaker team. Something is not fundamentally right in Redksins Park.