Mike Williams Cut by Raiders

MTK · 10-31-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Hey, look, Green Bay is letting Koren "K-Drop" Robinson back on the roster, and that guy's an avowed alcoholic. So Williams has a taste for the buffet? Sign him to a min contract and put performance incentives in there.

Why hate on a guy just because Detroit and Chokeland paid him too much? If we can get him for peanuts and he realizes he's got a chance to play for a quality organization, so much the better. I'd think that anybody we sign at WR from now on would realize that there are legitimate opportunities to become a starting NFL WR3...

There's a big difference you're failing to realize.

Robinson has produced on the field, Williams has not.

Guys who produce will keep getting chances while guys that don't produce will not.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-31-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Hey, look, Green Bay is letting Koren "K-Drop" Robinson back on the roster, and that guy's an avowed alcoholic. So Williams has a taste for the buffet? Sign him to a min contract and put performance incentives in there.

Why hate on a guy just because Detroit and Chokeland paid him too much? If we can get him for peanuts and he realizes he's got a chance to play for a quality organization, so much the better. I'd think that anybody we sign at WR from now on would realize that there are legitimate opportunities to become a starting NFL WR3...

I corrected a typo in my previous post; we don't hate the kid, we just don't think he'll be a good NFL wideout.

jbcjr14 · 10-31-2007, 12:11 PM

I think you take a shot on the kid if you can get him cheap. He is HUGE and could do some damage in our inept offense.

Stacks42 · 10-31-2007, 12:15 PM

What can it hurt? Is he going to bring down the locker room morale on offense, somehow I dont think that is possible. Our #1 WR Moss has less than 300 yds through 7 games.

MTK · 10-31-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

What can it hurt? Is he going to bring down the locker room morale on offense, somehow I dont think that is possible. Our #1 WR Moss has less than 300 yds through 7 games.

What it hurts is you have to give up a roster spot for him. Considering that WR is not a huge need vs. other spots like OL and CB, this move would be dumb. He hasn't done anything in Detroit or Oakland, so it's doubtful he would have any impact here especially coming in at the middle of the season.

henry12portis26 · 10-31-2007, 01:35 PM

he cant be much worse the Lloyd and his 2 catches

calia · 10-31-2007, 01:54 PM

"Cheap and available." Anyone remember the failed Redskins coach for whom that quote applied?

In any event, although I have real doubts about whether MW can do anything to help, we could likely get him for a song and how could it hurt to get him in the mix. NONE OF OUR WRs HAS A TD THIS SEASON! Has that ever happened through 7 games? A big WR will help take the pressure of Campbell because it gives him an option to throw a pass and let a WR go get it -- something we cannot do with the current WR roster of small but speedy guys.

Here are our current reception stats -- a little hard to read, but Cooley has 5 TD catches and Sellers has 1; no one else has one:

Ladell Betts WAS RB 9 84 9.3 12.0 28 0 1 0 4 44.4 0
Chris Cooley WAS TE 23 219 9.5 31.3 28 5 1 0 15 65.2 1
Brandon Lloyd WAS WR 2 14 7.0 2.0 9 0 0 0 0 0.0 0
Keenan McCardell WAS WR 4 69 17.3 23.0 21 0 2 0 3 75.0 0
Santana Moss WAS WR 20 248 12.4 41.3 49 0 2 2 12 60.0 0
Clinton Portis WAS RB 19 156 8.2 22.3 25 0 3 0 9 47.4 0
Antwaan Randle El WAS WR 26 465 17.9 66.4 54 0 7 2 20 76.9 1
Mike Sellers WAS FB 10 61 6.1 8.7 24 1 1 0 3 30.0 1
James Thrash WAS WR 3 16 5.3 2.3 7 0 0 0 0 0.0 0
Todd Yoder WAS TE 5 46 9.2 6.6 18 0 0 0 2 40.0 0

Schneed10 · 10-31-2007, 12:45 PM

Horrible, horrible idea. Who in their right mind thinks we should pick this dude up?? Are you nuts????

If you want a reason why not, um, how bout production for starters. Point blank, they guy has done squat in this league. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. He sucks.

dgack · 10-31-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Horrible, horrible idea. Who in their right mind thinks we should pick this dude up?? Are you nuts????

If you want a reason why not, um, how bout production for starters. Point blank, they guy has done squat in this league. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. He sucks.

Good point, I forgot how well our #1 and #3 WR are doing here this season.

BTW, the quality of analysis and conversation in this thread is truly worthy of applause.

We spent, what, 400+ posts debating Bill Belichick's class, but a 6'5", 230 receiver with a 38" vertical once called "college football's best receiver" by the press, who's failed to catch on with two of the NFL's worst franchises is on the street, and the mere suggestion that we could get him cheap is greeted with derision and name-calling.

Seriously, applause, guys. All around. Maybe I need to stick to topics that are a little less controversial. I'll be posting in the "if we just had an O-Line, everything would be perfect" thread from now on.

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Former USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Carson Palmer: "Mike is a tremendous talent. He's real mature. He's the type of guy who makes quarterbacks look real good. I know that all I had to do was put it up there and he was going to go get it."

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Former USC quarterback Matt Leinart: "He's a great, great player. Big, fast, all the things. He makes big-time, big-time plays. He's such a natural, he phenomenal. He's confident. You know he's good, he knows he's good. He's got a real presence about him."

SuperFan99 · 10-31-2007, 12:57 PM

He's still worth bringing in for a looksee tryout . . .

Remember, the Lions kept Redskins great Mike Bass on the practice squad for 2 years and tried to make him a receiver . . .

SmootSmack · 10-31-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFan99

He's still worth bringing in for a looksee tryout . . .

Remember, the Lions kept Redskins great Mike Bass on the practice squad for 2 years and tried to make him a receiver . . .

Was there even a practice squad back then?

SuperFan99 · 10-31-2007, 01:18 PM

I agree with the voice of look who he's played for! Lions are one of the most inept franchises of the past 50 years. They kept Redskin great Mike Bass on the practice squad for 2 years and tried to convert him to receiver.

Give the guy a tryout . . .

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-31-2007, 01:22 PM

What the hell happened since I last visited this thread? I think we should all chill. There's no need to get snappy with one another over this topic.

BleedBurgundy · 10-31-2007, 01:24 PM

You know, we do need a physical presence and he does provide that if nothing else. It's worth a look, nothing else...

BleedBurgundy · 10-31-2007, 01:33 PM

You know, we do need a physical presence and he does provide that if nothing else. It's worth a look, nothing else...

10-31-2007, 12:15 PM	#4
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 49 Posts: 837	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders What can it hurt? Is he going to bring down the locker room morale on offense, somehow I dont think that is possible. Our #1 WR Moss has less than 300 yds through 7 games. __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

10-31-2007, 01:35 PM	#6
henry12portis26 Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 42	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders he cant be much worse the Lloyd and his 2 catches

10-31-2007, 01:54 PM	#7
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 57 Posts: 4,005	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders "Cheap and available." Anyone remember the failed Redskins coach for whom that quote applied? In any event, although I have real doubts about whether MW can do anything to help, we could likely get him for a song and how could it hurt to get him in the mix. NONE OF OUR WRs HAS A TD THIS SEASON! Has that ever happened through 7 games? A big WR will help take the pressure of Campbell because it gives him an option to throw a pass and let a WR go get it -- something we cannot do with the current WR roster of small but speedy guys. Here are our current reception stats -- a little hard to read, but Cooley has 5 TD catches and Sellers has 1; no one else has one: Ladell Betts WAS RB 9 84 9.3 12.0 28 0 1 0 4 44.4 0 Chris Cooley WAS TE 23 219 9.5 31.3 28 5 1 0 15 65.2 1 Brandon Lloyd WAS WR 2 14 7.0 2.0 9 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 Keenan McCardell WAS WR 4 69 17.3 23.0 21 0 2 0 3 75.0 0 Santana Moss WAS WR 20 248 12.4 41.3 49 0 2 2 12 60.0 0 Clinton Portis WAS RB 19 156 8.2 22.3 25 0 3 0 9 47.4 0 Antwaan Randle El WAS WR 26 465 17.9 66.4 54 0 7 2 20 76.9 1 Mike Sellers WAS FB 10 61 6.1 8.7 24 1 1 0 3 30.0 1 James Thrash WAS WR 3 16 5.3 2.3 7 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 Todd Yoder WAS TE 5 46 9.2 6.6 18 0 0 0 2 40.0 0

10-31-2007, 12:45 PM	#8
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders Horrible, horrible idea. Who in their right mind thinks we should pick this dude up?? Are you nuts???? If you want a reason why not, um, how bout production for starters. Point blank, they guy has done squat in this league. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. He sucks. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

10-31-2007, 12:57 PM	#10
SuperFan99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders He's still worth bringing in for a looksee tryout . . . Remember, the Lions kept Redskins great Mike Bass on the practice squad for 2 years and tried to make him a receiver . . .

10-31-2007, 12:11 PM	#3
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 56 Posts: 2,015	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders I think you take a shot on the kid if you can get him cheap. He is HUGE and could do some damage in our inept offense. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

10-31-2007, 01:18 PM	#12
SuperFan99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders I agree with the voice of look who he's played for! Lions are one of the most inept franchises of the past 50 years. They kept Redskin great Mike Bass on the practice squad for 2 years and tried to convert him to receiver. Give the guy a tryout . . .

10-31-2007, 01:22 PM	#13
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders What the hell happened since I last visited this thread? I think we should all chill. There's no need to get snappy with one another over this topic.

10-31-2007, 01:24 PM	#14
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders You know, we do need a physical presence and he does provide that if nothing else. It's worth a look, nothing else... __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

10-31-2007, 01:33 PM	#15
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Mike Williams Cut by Raiders You know, we do need a physical presence and he does provide that if nothing else. It's worth a look, nothing else... __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

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