6 Turnovers= A poorly coached team

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

With Campbell, I say coaching does come into play. Now that he's fumbled in several of the last games, someone needs to coach him up about holding onto the ball and feeling the pressure.

What are you talking about???????????????????????????????
He was in the motion of throwing the ball. 100% not his fault! Jeez!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What are you talking about???????????????????????????????
He was in the motion of throwing the ball. 100% not his fault! Jeez!

I agree, if anything you have to blame the lack of protection.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What are you talking about???????????????????????????????
He was in the motion of throwing the ball. 100% not his fault! Jeez!

I'm talking about feeling the pressure and stepping up. I know the O line is in shambles, but these fumbles have got to stop.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

With Campbell, I say coaching does come into play. Now that he's fumbled in several of the last games, someone needs to coach him up about holding onto the ball and feeling the pressure.

That comes with the territory of inexperience. I can tell you how to do something but you have to figure it out yourself practice pressure & game pressure are different.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Coaching had nothing - as in 0% - to do with any of the turnovers yesterday. They were entirely - as in 100% - execution error on the part(s) of the player(s).

In addition to the turnovers, there were more than a couple of dropped passes too. Before anyone gets any ideas, the coaches weren't responsible for those drops either...

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How are fumbles a coaching issue???

Wow.

Gibbs did not instruct Moss, Portis, and Campbell to sleep with a Wilson this week. Therefore, it is Gibbs' fault...

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How are fumbles a coaching issue???

Wow.

Gibbs is not on the field making the mental mistakes, fumbling, throwing bad INTs, committing dumb penalties, giving up sacks, letting Terrel Owens run free, etc.

Great teams commit 6 turnovers a game every once in a while too - hell, look at Indy against SD last time. Certainly doesn't mean Indy is poorly coached.

However, in 3.5 years, Gibbs and Co. were supposed to turn this team into a consistent, above-average performer. That means, if Gibbs and Co. had done what they said they would do when they took over, we shouldn't see multiple turnovers, an entire half of bad play, second half collapses, dumb penalties from veterans, etc. as frequently as we do from this team. For a well coached team, these types of mistakes should be the exception rather than the rule week to week.

Any head coach not named Gibbs, and we'd be collectively calling for a firing. The expectations from Gibbs and Co. were understandably high given Gibbs' past record, but given how far short of expectations they've delivered, its appropriate to start asking these types of questions, IMO.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Gibbs is not on the field making the mental mistakes, fumbling, throwing bad INTs, committing dumb penalties, giving up sacks, letting Terrel Owens run free, etc.

Great teams commit 6 turnovers a game every once in a while too - hell, look at Indy against SD last time. Certainly doesn't mean Indy is poorly coached.

However, in 3.5 years, Gibbs and Co. were supposed to turn this team into a consistent, above-average performer. That means, if Gibbs and Co. had done what they said they would do when they took over, we shouldn't see multiple turnovers, an entire half of bad play, second half collapses, dumb penalties from veterans, etc. as frequently as we do from this team. For a well coached team, these types of mistakes should be the exception rather than the rule week to week.

Any head coach not named Gibbs, and we'd be collectively calling for a firing. The expectations from Gibbs and Co. were understandably high given Gibbs' past record, but given how far short of expectations they've delivered, its appropriate to start asking these types of questions, IMO.

Hmm, interesting points. I kind of agree with you on the calls for Gibbs' head, but I don't see any good of changing coaches when we've made so much progress.

As for him failing to reach expectations, I think the problem is that the expectations have been too high to start. Since 2000 we've had four times more losing seasons than winning seasons (4-1, with two 8-8 campaigns). So what expectations, that he'd ride in town, sprinkle some Gibbs dust on the Skins and we'd go back to 1991? I'm disappointed in what the Skins are doing this year, but these are close games we're losing. While we're learning to win these close games we will lose some too.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How are fumbles a coaching issue???

Wow.

Yeah I fail to see what coaching technique exists to teach players how to hold on to the ball. I am sure if there there is one though that Old Man Gibbs surely doesn't know it since everything is his fault.

[twinskinsfan]

I wouldn't say it is the coaching, then the discipline. Our team is not disciplined, lets face it. We brought in Gibbs, and he brought in great players, but with no discipline. I have a hard time seeing Moss being here next year, I want him to stay, but there will be some changes. With Campbell, its just youth. It is hard to watch us lose, and I would like to see us win, but we are not a good team right now

[MTK]

Why are some people so reluctant to place blame where it belongs, on the players.

Why is it always the coaches fault??

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why are some people so reluctant to place blame where it belongs, on the players.

Why is it always the coaches fault??

Its the coaches job to correct problems, Didnt coughlin cure T. Barbers fumbling problem? Doing his job as a coach

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

Its the coaches job to correct problems, Didnt coughlin cure T. Barbers fumbling problem? Doing his job as a coach

He sure hasn't been able to cure Eli's INT problem. It's not like Moss and Portis are chronic fumblers like Barber was. These things happen and today they happened in spades.

Look at each of the turnovers and then talk about the coaches being accountable.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

Its the coaches job to correct problems, Didnt coughlin cure T. Barbers fumbling problem? Doing his job as a coach

How do you correct Portis taking a hard shot from behind or Moss getting stripped while reaching out for extra yards??

It's the players job to hang on to the damn football.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why are some people so reluctant to place blame where it belongs, on the players.

Why is it always the coaches fault??

This thread is predicated on a weak argument. But it's not Stack's fault, it's yours Matty. As the head ego you need to correct these mental lapses in poor threads.